Originally posted by JuntaiDid I say it would be soon no.
The minute you see Blue Beetle lunch boxes, book bags and shirts at Wal Mart, and a Blue Beetle ride at six flags, holla at me.
Until then, I don't see it changing.Superman and Batman will always be the flagship.
But as with all things time takes hold. In ten or fifteen years I'll be surprised to see that the Green Lanterns the Flashes and the Martian Manhunters don't become just as popular as Superman. Superman is as big as he is now because he is still relativity popular among all the age brackets but that is changing as Youth no longer hold him in as high regard as older generations do.
It all about time my friend.
Originally posted by Juntai
The minute you see Blue Beetle lunch boxes, book bags and shirts at Wal Mart, and a Blue Beetle ride at six flags, holla at me.
Until then, I don't see it changing.Superman and Batman will always be the flagship.
Do you see how it kinda dooms all characters to background status at times tho Jun?
Superman and Batsy get the premiere writers. Why, i don't know. Maybe the writers pick their characters, or they get handed a character to write.
But as long as Geoff Johns stays on Superman, and goes back to JSA or JLA, then who does Jaime the blue beetle get?
Some up and coming writer(who might be brilliant), but doesn't have the name attached that brings in the fans.
So his book sells poorly, gets cancelled, and now he's on the Outsiders getting busted out by Grace.
It's a self serving cycle.
Superman and Batman get the best writers, then they get the most sales.
Less popular characters don't get the sales needed, so they lose protection from higher ups.
And then they get jobbed.
Rinse and repeat.
Bothers me, but obviously not you.
you know i hope in the crossover after countdown when DS comes with this "great disaster" he slaps Supes around like a doll. I like supes alot but i just don't want this crossover to end up like IC with Supes saving the day from the cosmic threat. That's one of the major reasons i hated the end. I hope it takes many powerful characters to end the battle. like ion and Green Lanterns and the new gods. and i hope that if DS survives he stays as a cosmic threat and not the superman villain he was before.
Originally posted by ValidusI agree I mean there is a reason Superman and Batman do beat out other people because they are the cash cows.
That's a crazy argument Omni. 😘
Its the same thing with Wolverine. I don't really mind it that much because it is the nature of things. I just wish other characters didn't have to suffer because of it. 🙁
Originally posted by NewjakI take it you don't read much Superman, otherwise you'd know that he isn't magically stronger than everyone else when it's needed. He's written like that most of the time. Read the way characters treat and regard him, as well as narrations. The events you're speaking of where people are written stronger than he is, is more the exception than the other way around. Though he does hold back, and then sometimes stops holding back. All kinds of characters to that though, most of them in fact, but I doubt you count that when it's not Superman.
You would take my post seriously yeah because no one else does 🙁And I understand this but there is kind of a loophole rule to Superman that everyone seems to abide when describing his power level.
In that no matter how strong a character is shown to be without Superman like a Green Lantern once they are around a big threat with Superman even though they could equally do just as well or better it is always Superman that must be the one to win. Then people loop it around in saying that he must be stronger than all these characters because he was chosen to win and no one else. When in reality it was because he was DCs flagship character.
Despite his personal showings being less than that of other characters.
Its not a bias against Superman its common sense to understand Superman gets kind of mini upgrades if you want to call them that only when he has to win against someone and not before or after that moment in time.
Where you want to place him without the having-to-win-power is up to you. Personally I see Gladiator and Superman as pretty interchangeable without it.
I guess Uni was right.
It is just haterade.
Writers do pick their projects for the most part. A lot of new series are made because said writer had a good pitch and the publisher decided to go with it. That's one of the reasons it's so hard to get in the industry. If Joe Nobody wants to write Superman but Geoff Johns also wants to write Superman, it's easy to guess who will get the job. That's typically why your Blue Beetle's are being written by lower tier writers while Chris Claremont stays on Uncanny X-Men for 20 years.
Originally posted by UniOmniOther characters get good writers, you just must not pay attention.
Do you see how it kinda dooms all characters to background status at times tho Jun?Superman and Batsy get the premiere writers. Why, i don't know. Maybe the writers pick their characters, or they get handed a character to write.
But as long as Geoff Johns stays on Superman, and goes back to JSA or JLA, then who does Jaime the blue beetle get?
Some up and coming writer(who might be brilliant), but doesn't have the name attached that brings in the fans.
So his book sells poorly, gets cancelled, and now he's on the Outsiders getting busted out by Grace.
It's a self serving cycle.
Superman and Batman get the best writers, then they get the most sales.
Less popular characters don't get the sales needed, so they lose protection from higher ups.And then they get jobbed.
Rinse and repeat.
Bothers me, but obviously not you.
Grant Morrison wrote Animal Man.
So did Allan Moore.
Allan Moore also did Swamp thing.
But since you're speaking of Blue Beetle, and asking who he gets? I'll point out Will Eisner, Jack Kirby and several of the industry's best have all touched the title. Kieth Giffen, just got off of the title after a year run.
Originally posted by JuntaiOh yeah because I hate Superman with a passion I'm on the look out for him. I have a picture of him up on my wall and I throw darts at him every chance I can get. 😛
I take it you don't read much Superman, otherwise you'd know that he isn't magically stronger than everyone else when it's needed. He's written like that most of the time. Read the way characters treat and regard him, as well as narrations. The events you're speaking of where people are written stronger than he is, is more the exception than the other way around. Though he does hold back, and then sometimes stops holding back. All kinds of characters to that though, most of them in fact, but I doubt you count that when it's not Superman.I guess Uni was right.
It is just haterade.
And I think you just answered what I said look how other characters treat him. I mean we have a thousand year old Amazonian goddess in awe of him when she has met real gods like Zeus.
Green Lanterns who can do anything are supposed to be in awe of Superman.
Let's be coy here Superman is what he is he is very strong is just as good as Gladiator as far as I'm concerned but I'm tired of people constantly thinking that since he wins the day he is in the same league as a top GL and heads and shoulders above people like Capt. Marvel or Martian Manhunter which besides the big events is never shown that way.
Originally posted by Juntai
Other characters get good writers, you just must not pay attention.Grant Morrison wrote Animal Man.
So did Allan Moore.
Allan Moore also did Swamp thing.But since you're speaking of Blue Beetle, and asking who he gets? I'll point out Will Eisner, Jack Kirby and several of the industry's best have all touched the title. Kieth Giffen, just got off of the title after a year run.
You had me by the balls until you named Giffen as a great writer.......ddhgfdgdgrtgtfoh!
Originally posted by Validus
Writers do pick their projects for the most part. A lot of new series are made because said writer had a good pitch and the publisher decided to go with it. That's one of the reasons it's so hard to get in the industry. If Joe Nobody wants to write Superman but Geoff Johns also wants to write Superman, it's easy to guess who will get the job. That's typically why your Blue Beetle's are being written by lower tier writers while Chris Claremont stays on Uncanny X-Men for 20 years.
hey don't diss the writer on Blue Beetle
John Rogers rocks 😠
Originally posted by NewjakYep, you don't read much Superman at all. Superman does amazing stuff almost week to week. There hasn't been one character to do anything as amazing as he since Crisis. It's not one time deals, that he suddenly gets an upgrade. In this last issue of S/B he dropped Despero, who's often written as a team wrecker. The issue before that, he was taking on half a dozen guys, including a GL, Powergirl, and others. The last issue of Action Comics, he survived the force of 50 supernovas, while his power was drained. The first arc of OYL since Crisis, had him battling against a planet devistating Kryptonian Warship. In The Next, he sealed an anomoly in space/time that was could to collapse everything into entropy. Seriously, try to find a character who's been more impressive in the last year.
Oh yeah because I hate Superman with a passion I'm on the look out for him. I have a picture of him up on my wall and I throw darts at him every chance I can get. 😛And I think you just answered what I said look how other characters treat him. I mean we have a thousand year old Amazonian goddess in awe of him when she has met real gods like Zeus.
Green Lanterns who can do anything are supposed to be in awe of Superman.
Let's be coy here Superman is what he is he is very strong is just as good as Gladiator as far as I'm concerned but I'm tired of people constantly thinking that since he wins the day he is in the same league as a top GL and heads and shoulders above people like Capt. Marvel or Martian Manhunter which besides the big events is never shown that way.
Originally posted by UniOmniI didn't say he was great, but he's pretty good. I like his work. Even the goofier stuff he's done. 🙂
You had me by the balls until you named Giffen as a great writer.......ddhgfdgdgrtgtfoh!
Judging by all the guys on the forum wowed by Annihilation, a lot of others like him too.