Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

Now, I said all that to say this: [B]this earth dwarfs all man-made objects in terms of degree of complication in the areas of physics, chemistry, astrophysics, biology, advanced mathematics and engineering and yet there is doubt that it had an intelligent Designer? (I just don't get the flagrant double-standard.)

No, I beg to differ. Tire tracks are normally produced by tires. This is the most logical explanation. [/B]

Until you understand proper scientific method, and thus understand why intelligent design is not scientific in the least, you're just stuck with being a whob.

Also, concerning that tire tracks statement: Fooled you muahahahahaha!!!

Originally posted by Da Pittman
You missed everything that I have said in my post, you keep referring to things that are man made but even these things are made up of non-complex parts it is only when they are join together in a particular arrangement that they form something more complex. These simple things are the building blocks to something bigger or more complex, you only want to refer to things that was built with a design and purpose and not something that is random such as the formation of planets and stars which is govern by mass and gravity.

No, that is your opinion that the planets are random (i.e. you are not basing that statement on fact or science). Now, that is my point precisely: this earth, it’s complicated design, function, position with relation to the sun (which is another complicated, convenient, purposeful entity—not just a random accident based on its paramount role relative to supporting and sustaining all life on this planet), and it’s ozone layer (which incidentally is present only in earth’s atmosphere). In short, earth’s biosphere is conducive to the maintenance of all life. This could not have just evolved from an explosion.

I still like the way you dodge the snowflake question, but hey I don’t expect you to. Just because the answer is the “most” logical doesn’t mean that it is the correct one as I have said. Many things that have been thought to be the most logical answer in science turns out to be the incorrect answer. You can look around and see for yourself all the stages of life on this planet from the simple single cell organism to complex ones. By deductive reasoning we can trace back from the highest from of life to the smallest and the similarities that all of them have so why would the single cell have the same characteristics as the cells in a complex organism?

A few others…
Does coal turning into a diamond have a designer?
Does a dinosaur turning into oil have a designer?
Do cancer cells have a designer?

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i1/snowflakes.asp (answer to your snowflake query)

Do single-celled organisms have consciousness? No? But you and I do. All (self-reproducing) life is composed of cells. This is just a fact of life (no pun intended).

You cannot compare complicated life with an inanimate object such as coal or a diamond or a dinosaur converting into petroleum. Again, your analogies do not apply. Besides, how do you know that oil comes from dinosaurs? Last I checked, that is not the case.

Still trying to prove the possibility of evolution through oncology? Cancer is a disease, thus it is a terrible comparison of something biological mutating from one state into another. Besides, cancer is a defect not an example of evolutionary process culminating in complex organic life (remember: cancer destroys/kills its host).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, that is your opinion that the planets are random (i.e. you are not basing that statement on fact or science). Now, that is my point precisely: this earth, it’s complicated design, function, position with relation to the sun (which is another complicated, convenient, purposeful entity—not just a random accident based on its paramount role relative to supporting and sustaining all life on this planet), and it’s ozone layer (which incidentally is present only in earth’s atmosphere). In short, earth’s biosphere is conducive to the maintenance of all life. This could not have just evolved from an explosion.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i1/snowflakes.asp (answer to your snowflake query)

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do single-celled organisms have consciousness? No? But you and I do. All (self-reproducing) life is composed of cells. This is just a fact of life (no pun intended).

You cannot compare complicated life with an inanimate object such as coal or a diamond or a dinosaur converting into petroleum. Again, your analogies do not apply. Besides, how do you know that oil comes from dinosaurs? Last I checked, that is not the case.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

Still trying to prove the possibility of evolution through oncology? Cancer is a disease, thus it is a terrible comparison of something biological mutating from one state into another. Besides, cancer is a defect not an example of evolutionary process culminating in complex organic life (remember: cancer destroys/kills its host).

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Do you not even know how planets are formed? How do you know that the ozone layer is only on Earth, have you been to the trillions of other planets out there? You can say the same thing about the other planets in our solar system, each have their own property that is unique to them that we also haven’t found yet. Do you even know how hard it is to detect a planet the size of Earth? Earth’s atmosphere is required for life as WE know it but even so there are animals and life on Earth that would survive and prosper without the ozone layer.

Why do you not understand my words? I told you that I believe that God created the universe and everything that is in it.

No, I have not been to the other planets out there. But…how do you know that there are trillions of other planets? I know, I know, Joe Astronomer told you in his peer-tested journal (This is blind faith because you have not done the research yourself, you are just taking for granted what someone else has said and interpreted).

No, I do not know “how hard it is to detect a planet the size of Earth." Care to enlighten me?

What animals and life are able to “survive and prosper” without the ozone layer? Do you realize what you have just written?

Thank you for proving my point.

The link about snowflakes refuted your point.

You do this all the time, so what makes your comparison of computers any different? Last time I check dinosaurs are organic, are they not?

Computers are complicated machines that were made with an intelligent mind, that was my point. Your analogy about diamond formation, cancer, snowflakes, and oil are not complex objects that would require a mind. These things happen through natural processes. Again, a computer is complicated; hence, it requires a mind for its creation.

Really how do you even miss the point of my post, do you do this on purpose just to be annoying. I’m serious, why do you do this? I don’t know how much clearer I have to make my statements for you to understand the point that I’m trying to make because your retorts are so far off of what I wrote that makes me wonder if you do this on purpose.

I am sorry, what was the point of your post? I do not know what you are talking about. I thought I answered your questions and interpreted that you were trying to show that complex things could come about without intelligent design. Is that your point? I am seriously trying to understand your point (I thought that I had understood it).

lol @ denouncing peer-reviewed journals as faith. Moar lulz plz.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
Until you understand proper scientific method, and thus understand why intelligent design is not scientific in the least, you're just stuck with being a whob.

Also, concerning that tire tracks statement: Fooled you muahahahahaha!!!

I understand proper scientific method.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=457493

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I understand proper scientific method.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=457493

hysterical

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
hysterical

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I understand proper scientific method.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=457493

hysterical MOAR MOAR MOAR!!!!!

Originally posted by AngryManatee
hysterical MOAR MOAR MOAR!!!!!

😕 I'll pray for you.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
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Lets put it to the test. Please explain to me why energy cannot be created or destroyed.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Lets put it to the test. Please explain to me why energy cannot be created or destroyed.

I have to run right now buddy (I have to eat), but I will leave you with this:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/nbi/612.html

pizza

pepsi

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have to run right now buddy (I have to eat), but I will leave you with this:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/nbi/612.html

pizza

pepsi

Does the bible = science to you?

BTW I did not read any of that site. I am not interested in what religion has to say about science. It is as useless as asking a scientists about religion. It might be interesting, but science and religion have nothing in common.

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Why do you not understand my words? I told you that I believe that God created the universe and everything that is in it.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

No, I have not been to the other planets out there. But…how do you know that there are trillions of other planets? I know, I know, Joe Astronomer told you in his peer-tested journal (This is blind faith because you have not done the research yourself, you are just taking for granted what someone else has said and interpreted).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, I do not know “how hard it is to detect a planet the size of Earth." Care to enlighten me?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What animals and life are able to “survive and prosper” without the ozone layer? Do you realize what you have just written?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The link about snowflakes refuted your point.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Computers are complicated machines that were made with an intelligent mind, that was my point. Your analogy about diamond formation, cancer, snowflakes, and oil are not complex objects that would require a mind. These things happen through natural processes. Again, a computer is complicated; hence, it requires a mind for its creation.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive I am sorry, what was the point of your post? I do not know what you are talking about. I thought I answered your questions and interpreted that you were trying to show that complex things could come about without intelligent design. Is that your point? I am seriously trying to understand your point (I thought that I had understood it).

A few questions for you…

Do you believe in black holes?
Do you believe in photons and atoms?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Does the bible = science to you?

BTW I did not read any of that site. I am not interested in what religion has to say about science. It is as useless as asking a scientists about religion. It might be interesting, but science and religion have nothing in common.

What difference does it make who the facts are from as long as the facts are presented? I think that you did not read any of it because you (perhaps) fear the facts (I'm guessing?).

Actually, science actually confirms everything that I have been saying about this earth and universe being designed, not the product of an uncaused accident.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What difference does it make who the facts are from as long as the facts are presented? I think that you did not read any of it because you (perhaps) fear the facts (I'm guessing?).

Actually, science actually confirms everything that I have been saying about this earth and universe being designed, not the product of an uncaused accident.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What difference does it make who the facts are from as long as the facts are presented?

In the right hands, even the truth can be a lie. The problem with a lot of Christians like you is that you don’t care about the truth, for you only care about your belief.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I think that you did not read any of it because you (perhaps) fear the facts (I'm guessing?).

You are guessing wrong. I told you the truth, but you can’t see it. You can’t handle the truth. You want control were there is none.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Actually, science actually confirms everything that I have been saying about this earth and universe being designed, not the product of an uncaused accident.

You don’t know what science is. I would guess you have never been to college, and that you have been home schooled only. I would also guess, you have never been out of your town or city or community.

Nothing ever happens by accident, but that does not mean there is a supernatural reason. The universe is far more wondrous then you can imagine.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, I have not been to the other planets out there. But…how do you know that there are trillions of other planets? I know, I know, Joe Astronomer told you in his peer-tested journal (This is blind faith because you have not done the research yourself, you are just taking for granted what someone else has said and interpreted).[/COLOR]

Originally posted by Da Pittman
It really does annoy me that you keep using this argument, have you done your own research on evolution, the big bang theory, macroevolution, quantum mechanics, genetics and I can keep the list going and going and going like the Energizer Bunny. You post links to research all the time and more times than not as proof of your claims so why oh why is it valid for you to do it and not us?

Ya, but we don't post links to Christian propaganda sites. 😉

Sounds like a marathon this thread.