Can you handle the Truth?

Started by leonheartmm432 pages

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
There's a difference between indoctrination and brainwashing.

To indoctrinate is to teach, but to brainwash is to completely replace someone's current knowledge (on something) with something drastically different from what was replaced.

Killing other religions? It's a secular democracy, and India has always been a place of many religions. And how do they get away with that in a country with over 150 Muslims?

Unaccepting of different cultures? India is a place of different cultures.

India and world domination???...... 😆 😆

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! india has always been a multicultural place and therefore has ALWAYS been ****ED internally. in the time before the mughals, staunch hinduism pretty much destroyed any otheer ideology which was contrary to theirs{buddhism survived purely due to its peaceful aspects and non hostile take} , in the time of the mughals, as far as the mughals were overly relegious, many hindu temples{thousands} were destroyted in raids or under rule of muslims as well as the promotion of many hindus to second class citizens, since this status quo cudnt survive for so long and lax attitude of the later caliphate and the intermarrying etc of the mughals, relegiously tolerant ones came about and india flourished entering its golden age, later, the resurgance of relegion came near the end of the known mughal line and the resources were strained as was the country, this led to the eventual collapse into states and provinces and then the british invaded, and opression on both major groups, hindus and muslims began, {more on muslims due to greater rebellion from them}, as they left, the hindu majority had through education and other more productive pursuits than muslims, gotten a better and more relegiously based leadership{more in nehru than gandhi} than the muslims {with only jinnah being the major leader}. as a result of pressure and the hindu ideology of keeping HINDUSTAN{india} together , they tried to pass of the very significant mulsim population as a minority and riots etc ensued as the muslims saw the opression they had been put under by the hindus even in the time of the british rule{to the point that even if a muslim drank from a hindu well, it was thought by the hindus to be forever left impure and the muslim usually beaten to death} and wanted a seperate country, in the end, the british compied but due to the greater pressure of the hindus, most of the resource rich provinces were given to india aand less to pakistan. and then came the migration, when on both sides, million opon millions were mercilessly slaughtered based on relegion as they fled to the other side{official figires do not even come close to describing the numbers and even they are in the millions}, then came the problem of kashmir which was legally muslim owned and part of pakistan but militarily taken over by india and the atrocities and systematic rape and murder of again, over a million people{till recently} continues on to this day. inside india, there is vast opression of muslims, and to a sumwhat lesser extent, of sikhs. there are riots and massacres, as well as the government being a part of this, this is done to gain votes for provincial ministers who use the extremist thinking of the hindus in many of the poorer provinces. india is a country where high level government officials can come on national tv and propose to recruit suicide bombers from the hindu audience{for use in pakistan} to COUNTER the rare few muslim suicide bombers that have targetted indian cities as a direct result of what is happening in kashmir. not only this, but the caste system is as strong as ever and the vast majority of the population lives in extreme poverty, as wll as the brahmans {the highest relegious authorities and highest caste of hindu priests who also happen to be have major political positions usually} who cite again and again in relegious seminars and gathering of the absolute extermination of muslims and sikhs and other people who POLLUTE gao mata{the holy mother india which is thought of as the sacred cow}. as well as the extreme nationalistic sentiment that has been forced down the throat of people{freedom, lol, you can legally be HANGED in india for dirtying or damaging ANY indians flag} and the sentiments of the people in india is very much one of supremecy and the indian government{as well as american government/china/russia etc} all beleive that due to the economic and technological growth as well as the number of people present, the contest for the next world power is between china and india, and this is reflected in the opposite alliances of both countries. sigh, this was just a short overlook, basically, dont reply from ignorance mota, you will find that you are severely lacking{as is most of the world} if you are gonna go up aainst me on knowing the indo pak region.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You use the word indoctrination but chickenlover98 used the word brainwashed, I believe that you use the correct term to describe my experience. I have not been brainwashed about anything, I just believe what I believe because of a choice that I have made. Although, I believe that everyone is a product of their upbringing to some extent, but I do not recall being forced to believe anything when I was a child or to give up any beliefs or attitudes in exchange for different ideas (which is the definition of brainwash according to Merrriam-Webster). I made my decision to believe the Bible as a teen.

[B]brain·wash·ing
Pronunciation: \ˈbrān-ˌwȯ-shiŋ, -ˌwä-\
Function: noun
Etymology: translation of Chinese (Beijing) xǐnǎo
Date: 1950
1 : a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas
2 : persuasion by propaganda or salesmanship
[/B]

brainwashing qute often does occur on much subtle levels. do you really think the children who are indoctrinated in madrisaahs to go out and become suicide bombers are actually being FORCED to be kept there??? no my friend, they simply do not know better and actually beleive a falsehood due to them not having been taught to reaosn or the glaring flaws never pointed out. their thinking pattern has simply been made so unidimensional with dogmatism and fear of mystical; phenomenon and god, etc, that they can not think rationally. neither can you, to a lesser extent and that is why you are brainwashed. as you do not consider the significance of any flaw pointed out in your ideology.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
how many times do i have to say it, I DIDNT MEAN TO TELL THE ROMANS IM SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate to ask this question...

but do you exist in this forum just to try and surf on the arguments of people such as leo? Do you only exist to curry their favour?

Originally posted by leonheartmm
brainwashing qute often does occur on much subtle levels. do you really think the children who are indoctrinated in madrisaahs to go out and become suicide bombers are actually being FORCED to be kept there??? no my friend, they simply do not know better and actually beleive a falsehood due to them not having been taught to reaosn or the glaring flaws never pointed out. their thinking pattern has simply been made so unidimensional with dogmatism and fear of mystical; phenomenon and god, etc, that they can not think rationally. neither can you, to a lesser extent and that is why you are brainwashed. as you do not consider the significance of any flaw pointed out in your ideology.

Then I guess all of these individuals throughout the years and since the establishment of this nation are brainwashed.

https://www.prayerforceone.com/hailtothechief.asp

^firs off, the site is of christian origin and insulting to the notion of liberty. seperation of relegion and state is there for a REASON and relegion shud in no way be a part of POLITICS and the government. the proposition is proposterous. and yes, both bushes, reagon as well as every other major right wing politician is infact brainwashed to a significant extent as it is not possible to be awre of the world and logic and reasoning and be an official part of the right wing. the wrest are ols american preseidents who were christian as that was the dogma of the time. to what extent they were brainwashed,i do not know, but suffice to say,t hat they were. does that answer your question? {btw, for the greater amount of time, america has been run by assholes}

also, the very fact that you quoted such an IDIOTIC{and most people around here who will visit will come to the same conclusion after reading the "obvious conclusion" posted by the site} and christian site which quotes some truly horrible people{mass murderers included}, says to me that you are infact brainwashed.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
also, the very fact that you quoted such an IDIOTIC{and most people around here who will visit will come to the same conclusion after reading the "obvious conclusion" posted by the site} and christian site which quotes some truly horrible people{mass murderers included}, says to me that you are infact brainwashed.

This guy admits to being brainwashed.

YouTube video

I am more of a semanticist so I will confess that I am "spirit-washed." Jesus washed my sins away by His shed Blood. Jesus Christ has cleansed my spirit of unrighteousness and unholiness; hence, I am spirit-washed.

OMG!!!! 😱 😆 😆

dude, if people didnt think you were brainwashed before, theyll certainly think you are now. what the HELL was that?! a guy countering claims of brainwashing in christianity by REINFORCING that outlook and making NO argument but quoting scripture after scripture andsaying, "IT FEALS GOOOOOOOD" . you are also brainwashed if you though this video was supposed to prove anything other than making you look silly and BRAINWASHED. your not spirit washed, you dont even know what the word means, spirituality is very much in opposition of dogma, and dogma is what you have. and jesus didnt wash anything away, he was just a poor fellow who died and had people commit stupidities and atrocities in his name, a truly horrible lineage, and not one he wud have hoped for.

Originally posted by AngryManatee
I can handle da troof. Can u handle da troof?

In the words of Yoda, "the troof, I can handle." But, can you handle the Truth?

YouTube video

^lmao, can you even handle a LIE if its not of your own making or that of your relegion.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
OMG!!!! 😱 😆 😆

dude, if people didnt think you were brainwashed before, theyll certainly think you are now. what the HELL was that?! a guy countering claims of brainwashing in christianity by REINFORCING that outlook and making NO argument but quoting scripture after scripture andsaying, "IT FEALS GOOOOOOOD" . you are also brainwashed if you though this video was supposed to prove anything other than making you look silly and BRAINWASHED. your not spirit washed, you dont even know what the word means, spirituality is very much in opposition of dogma, and dogma is what you have. and jesus didnt wash anything away, he was just a poor fellow who died and had people commit stupidities and atrocities in his name, a truly horrible lineage, and not one he wud have hoped for.

God is a Spirit. This means that God is energy personified.

YouTube video

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
In the words of Yoda, "the troof, I can handle." But can you handle the Truth?

YouTube video

this man lies on more than two occasions in the spech, first by referencing the supposed TOP researcher in the field who just happens to call all of the subject he studies, IGNORANT{lol, how convenient, not to mention this person wudnt be the TOP evolutionary biologist if he considered his subject useless} and second when he says there are "utterlu failed to explain how non living chemicals can turn assemble themselves into cell", there is observable evidence of inorganic chemicals turning into organic ones and making up basic components of cell. lastly the claim of "insumountable barriers involving origin of biological information that arent gonna be resolved by more research". the first part is completely false as no such barriers exist {which is why evolution still exists as a theory, otherwise it wud have been discarded a long time ago, scientists arent collective idiots} and no mechanics innvolved in the genetic or chromosomal mutation that i know of provide such barriers{his sly comment on INFORMATION which is a well known tactic of creationists trying to confuse the issue by not defining what they mean by INFORMATION is not lost} . and lastly, unless he knows the future, there is no way he can claim that ANY AMOUNT OF RESEARCH isnt gonna solve these FALSELY CLAIMED barriers.

😂

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God is a Spirit. This means that God is energy personified.

YouTube video

define spirit, then define how god is a spirit different from humans, then explain how you go from spirit to ENERGY PERSONIFIED, then explain what you mean by energy and explain what you mean by energy PERSONIFIED, and lastly, prove all of this with evidence or reasoning deduced from evidence. good luck. 😄

Originally posted by leonheartmm
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! india has always been a multicultural place and therefore has ALWAYS been ****ED internally. in the time before the mughals, staunch hinduism pretty much destroyed any otheer ideology which was contrary to theirs{buddhism survived purely due to its peaceful aspects and non hostile take} , in the time of the mughals, as far as the mughals were overly relegious, many hindu temples{thousands} were destroyted in raids or under rule of muslims as well as the promotion of many hindus to second class citizens, since this status quo cudnt survive for so long and lax attitude of the later caliphate and the intermarrying etc of the mughals, relegiously tolerant ones came about and india flourished entering its golden age, later, the resurgance of relegion came near the end of the known mughal line and the resources were strained as was the country, this led to the eventual collapse into states and provinces and then the british invaded, and opression on both major groups, hindus and muslims began, {more on muslims due to greater rebellion from them}, as they left, the hindu majority had through education and other more productive pursuits than muslims, gotten a better and more relegiously based leadership{more in nehru than gandhi} than the muslims {with only jinnah being the major leader}. as a result of pressure and the hindu ideology of keeping HINDUSTAN{india} together , they tried to pass of the very significant mulsim population as a minority and riots etc ensued as the muslims saw the opression they had been put under by the hindus even in the time of the british rule{to the point that even if a muslim drank from a hindu well, it was thought by the hindus to be forever left impure and the muslim usually beaten to death} and wanted a seperate country, in the end, the british compied but due to the greater pressure of the hindus, most of the resource rich provinces were given to india aand less to pakistan. and then came the migration, when on both sides, million opon millions were mercilessly slaughtered based on relegion as they fled to the other side{official figires do not even come close to describing the numbers and even they are in the millions}, then came the problem of kashmir which was legally muslim owned and part of pakistan but militarily taken over by india and the atrocities and systematic rape and murder of again, over a million people{till recently} continues on to this day. inside india, there is vast opression of muslims, and to a sumwhat lesser extent, of sikhs. there are riots and massacres, as well as the government being a part of this, this is done to gain votes for provincial ministers who use the extremist thinking of the hindus in many of the poorer provinces. india is a country where high level government officials can come on national tv and propose to recruit suicide bombers from the hindu audience{for use in pakistan} to COUNTER the rare few muslim suicide bombers that have targetted indian cities as a direct result of what is happening in kashmir. not only this, but the caste system is as strong as ever and the vast majority of the population lives in extreme poverty, as wll as the brahmans {the highest relegious authorities and highest caste of hindu priests who also happen to be have major political positions usually} who cite again and again in relegious seminars and gathering of the absolute extermination of muslims and sikhs and other people who POLLUTE gao mata{the holy mother india which is thought of as the sacred cow}. as well as the extreme nationalistic sentiment that has been forced down the throat of people{freedom, lol, you can legally be HANGED in india for dirtying or damaging ANY indians flag} and the sentiments of the people in india is very much one of supremecy and the indian government{as well as american government/china/russia etc} all beleive that due to the economic and technological growth as well as the number of people present, the contest for the next world power is between china and india, and this is reflected in the opposite alliances of both countries. sigh, this was just a short overlook, basically, dont reply from ignorance mota, you will find that you are severely lacking{as is most of the world} if you are gonna go up aainst me on knowing the indo pak region.

So why were Hindus so violent towards the Muslims? What in Hinduism's teachings caused them to be that way? Even today, why is there so much hatred towards Islam in India. In the Arab World, Hindus are viewed as animal-worshipping pagans, so how do Indian Hindus see Muslims; violent invaders that don't like Ganapati?

And how do you suppose India will be a world power? A billion people in poverty aren't gonna go very far.

LMAO at the video, what a pile of crap. making huge leaps of logic between scientific data and mystical interpretation including the same words{energy lol} and continuing on to "prove" the existance of god based on falsified assumption. and the icin on the cake in the end "if you cant agree with this logic than you are stubborn, unreasonable, and dont want to beleive in the existance of god" !!!!! my GOD your dum.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So why were Hindus so violent towards the Muslims? What in Hinduism's teachings caused them to be that way? Even today, why is there so much hatred towards Islam in India. In the Arab World, Hindus are viewed as animal-worshipping pagans, so how do Indian Hindus see Muslims; violent invaders that don't like Ganapati?

And how do you suppose India will be a world power? A billion people in poverty aren't gonna go very far.

understand that hindus{like most other cultures} take more from their DOMESTIC cultures than they take from their actual SCRIPTURES{e.g. pahntheonism doesnt EXIST in the major hindu scriptires, infact a kind of monotheism DOES. stating of brahma as the ultimate reality and it having NO images or pratimas} and due to pverty and superstition, it is a VERY narrow minded and variant{but always narrow minded} beleif system which puts in little tolerance{to the point that at a time, hindus used to kill or pour molten lead down the ears of people who LISTENED to the hindus chanting their holy scriptues and werent hindu themselves. part of the reason such a huge number of people's relegious beleifs never left india and spread was this conceited outlook that hinduism is only for the HINDUS. kind of like judaism} towards outsiders who wish to propogate or oppose their version of hinduism. plus the hostility of being the mjority in a region and having been ruled for centuries by outsiders who {on many occasions, but not always as wud be expected from the customs of the time} opressed them and kept them as second class citizens{this fealing of hatred stil lingers very strongly if you read indian textbooks or public history syllabi, the CRIMES and "CRUELTIES" of the relegiously extreme mughal kings are greatly emphasized and often magnified} plays a large part. also, when relegious divides exist, and a minority exists, specially one with seperate vested interests than the majority, it really isnt hard for prejudice and discrimination to come into play for societies to vent out their worst emotions{kind of like wars faught over ethnic or ideological reasons or tribal conflict} . another major reason is that due to the relegious beleifs and the national pride and the government propaganda which favours such outlook, most hindus still look as the partitiion of pakistan and india as a great tragedy{even gandhi himself did} which SLAUGHTERED the great mother cow, india into two parts {the entire subcontinent is holy to indians kind of like the entire tigris and new canaan region is prophesized/holy to jews and many christians and the PROPERTY of bani israel's tribe[jews] } and still consider pakistan to be the rightful property of india{the reason behind the kashmir occupation and the two wars faught between the countries and the assistance of the indian military and giving indipendence to bangladesh[formerly west pakistan]} and hence blame the muslims for this. and yes, that is one way of looking at how indians see muslims, the other way is "pathetic heathens who threaten our way of life and are below hindus as a race" .

india will be a world power the same way china will be {and IS} a world power, starving its people, putting all resources into strengthening the economy/trade/foreign relations/military and playing the world stage to gain sympathies and friendships for nations{like america} who see it as a deterrant to the growing influence of china/pakistan/iran/muslims powers in the region etc, and {liek israel} gaining financial support and lee way on international laws as a result. ofcourse, india is asmarte about it and less severe than perhaps china, in the sense that it isnt all backbreaking manual labout but also the IT boom that has come about and pharmaceuticals in india which are raking in the cash from the world markets.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God is a Spirit. This means that God is energy personified. ...

That is a belief and not a fact. It is just as much as a belief as reincarnation. Both the ideas that god is a spirit and reincarnation are beliefs that cannot be proved.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God is a Spirit. This means that God is energy personified.

G- God is Solar, Man of the Atom? nuts

Originally posted by leonheartmm
understand that hindus{like most other cultures} take more from their DOMESTIC cultures than they take from their actual SCRIPTURES{e.g. pahntheonism doesnt EXIST in the major hindu scriptires, infact a kind of monotheism DOES. stating of brahma as the ultimate reality and it having NO images or pratimas} and due to pverty and superstition, it is a VERY narrow minded and variant{but always narrow minded} beleif system which puts in little tolerance{to the point that at a time, hindus used to kill or pour molten lead down the ears of people who LISTENED to the hindus chanting their holy scriptues and werent hindu themselves. part of the reason such a huge number of people's relegious beleifs never left india and spread was this conceited outlook that hinduism is only for the HINDUS. kind of like judaism} towards outsiders who wish to propogate or oppose their version of hinduism. plus the hostility of being the mjority in a region and having been ruled for centuries by outsiders who {on many occasions, but not always as wud be expected from the customs of the time} opressed them and kept them as second class citizens{this fealing of hatred stil lingers very strongly if you read indian textbooks or public history syllabi, the CRIMES and "CRUELTIES" of the relegiously extreme mughal kings are greatly emphasized and often magnified} plays a large part. also, when relegious divides exist, and a minority exists, specially one with seperate vested interests than the majority, it really isnt hard for prejudice and discrimination to come into play for societies to vent out their worst emotions{kind of like wars faught over ethnic or ideological reasons or tribal conflict} . another major reason is that due to the relegious beleifs and the national pride and the government propaganda which favours such outlook, most hindus still look as the partitiion of pakistan and india as a great tragedy{even gandhi himself did} which SLAUGHTERED the great mother cow, india into two parts {the entire subcontinent is holy to indians kind of like the entire tigris and new canaan region is prophesized/holy to jews and many christians and the PROPERTY of bani israel's tribe[jews] } and still consider pakistan to be the rightful property of india{the reason behind the kashmir occupation and the two wars faught between the countries and the assistance of the indian military and giving indipendence to bangladesh[formerly west pakistan]} and hence blame the muslims for this. and yes, that is one way of looking at how indians see muslims, the other way is "pathetic heathens who threaten our way of life and are below hindus as a race" .

Whether Hinduism truly is a monotheistic religion "in disguise" or a pagan one has been a subject of debate. Last week while on my lunch break, I was killing time at Hastings and I came across a world religion book that said that the idea that Hinduism is actually monotheistic and all their countless gods are all actually one, isn't a very old notion. It said that Hindus made it up to appeal to Mulsim invaders who killed anyone that worshipped more than one god.

Are India's 150 million Muslims second-class citizens?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God is a Spirit. This means that God is energy personified.

When are you going to accept the Primacy of the Roman Pontiff and become a Christian?