Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The only response to your silly retort is to call is such. And I have done so.Night all.
Damn, don't be sore about it. I seriously found your "it's a reasonable answer" reply to be lame and a cop-out, but I didn't want to be rude and say as much. So I went a completely different route with the conversation.
Originally posted by Robtard
Nothing really, but when you have the power to do something yourself that is infinitely more efficient and would be effortless, why rely on slumps that could mess up.
We've all played telephone at one point in our lives. Too bad the message of love, acceptance and peace eventually ends up being one of hate, disdain and intolerance. Especially when the starter word was titties. (Ignoring the fact that they think the guy who whispered first was their imaginary friend)
Originally posted by Devil King
That's ignorant.I don't think it has anything to do with money being evil or it makes you evil. I was taught it had more to do with the methods to get all that money.
But, what ever rocks your well satisfied boat.
Something wrong with being well satisfied? You should try it sometime.
Anyway, it's not ignorant because the very topic of this thread has the underlying argument of whether or not Jesus is divine. I'm not saying that by participating, you automatically believe it. I'm saying that by participating, you're accepting a premise on which to argue/debate.
I agree that the manner in which you get your money matters in whether money corrupts you or not.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
pitt_birthday Small problem with that, Jesus was a god not a man, even in flesh he was still a god. He did not have the flaws of man that were built into him by God, last time I checked man couldn't do miracles and rise from the dead. Last time I check man didn't have the wisdom of gods so how is Jesus having flesh supposed to make him a man? Another problem is one of the biggest questions in life is what is our purpose, Jesus already knew what his purpose was and that is to redeem men from their sins so he already knew his goal in life so how does this make him a man?So if the story of the Trinity is true God says that man has sin and will suffer all time pain and suffering but then a part of God 1/3 of him gave himself flesh so that he can come down and “die” (how can a god die) on the cross to forgive man of the sins that God (the other 2/3) convicted man of. Sounds like a case of the left and not knowing what the right hand is doing.
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No, Jesus was not a god, Jesus is God Almighty. Jesus walked this earth as the God-Man but He voluntarily laid aside His divine privileges (omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence). The miracles that Jesus performed were effected by the Holy Spirit (Who dwelled in Him). Jesus said that the Father who dwells in Him does the works (i.e. the many miracles that He performed). The Father dwells in individuals who are saved via His Holy Spirit.
Jesus did not raise Himself from the dead. Again, the Father by His Spirit raised Jesus from the dead and performed the works (or miracles) that Jesus did.
I believe the Scriptures and what it reveals about Jesus. Jesus walked this earth as a Man albeit divine, but He temporarily gave up His divine privileges until after His resurrection. The wages of sin is death. Jesus took upon Himself the sins of the world (take a minute to ponder that). He became sin for the world (i.e. the object of God's wrath against sin or the sinner, thus freeing all who exercise faith in Him for salvation). This is how God (or Jesus) was able to die.
I will close with this Scripture.
Philippians 2:5-9 (Amplified Bible)
5Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:]
6Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,
7But stripped Himself [of all privileges and [rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.
8And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Something wrong with being well satisfied? You should try it sometime.Anyway, it's not ignorant because the very topic of this thread has the underlying argument of whether or not Jesus is divine. I'm not saying that by participating, you automatically believe it. I'm saying that by participating, you're accepting a premise on which to argue/debate.
I agree that the manner in which you get your money matters in whether money corrupts you or not.
No, it really is ignorant too say that participation in a discussion about Jesus implies that one must somehow secretly think he's god. That is very much ignorant.
Originally posted by Devil King
No, it really is ignorant too say that participation in a discussion about Jesus implies that one must somehow secretly think he's god. That is very much ignorant.
Umm...you make no sense.
Clearly what the person is saying is that in the debate you should accept the possibility of Jesus being divine in order to argue about it within context.
He doesnt say you secretly believe in him.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive❌
No, Jesus was not a god, Jesus is God Almighty. Jesus walked this earth as the God-Man but He voluntarily laid aside His divine privileges (omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence). The miracles that Jesus performed were effected by the Holy Spirit (Who dwelled in Him). Jesus said that the Father who dwells in Him does the works (i.e. the many miracles that He performed). The Father dwells in individuals who are saved via His Holy Spirit.Jesus did not raise Himself from the dead. Again, the Father by His Spirit raised Jesus from the dead and performed the works (or miracles) that Jesus did.
I believe the Scriptures and what it reveals about Jesus. Jesus walked this earth as a Man albeit divine, but He temporarily gave up His divine privileges until after His resurrection. The wages of sin is death. Jesus took upon Himself the sins of the world (take a minute to ponder that). He became sin for the world (i.e. the object of God's wrath against sin or the sinner, thus freeing all who exercise faith in Him for salvation). This is how God (or Jesus) was able to die.
I will close with this Scripture.
[B]Philippians 2:5-9 (Amplified Bible)
5Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:]6Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,
7But stripped Himself [of all privileges and [rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.
8And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross
[/B]
No matter what he did he is still “God made fleshâ€, last time I check no man is “God made fleshâ€. How does a god give up his power? If he can take it away he can give it back.
OK, I will think about it. What does it mean that he took on the sins of man, what was the punishment for it? Can anyone do the same thing? I’m sure there are plenty of people out there that would take on the sins of man. If all mankind is due to be sent to hell for something that one man committed how is Jesus taking on the sin of all mankind going to help? Would Jesus suffer multiple eternities in Hell for each person’s sins?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Umm...you make no sense.Clearly what the person is saying is that in the debate you should accept the possibility of Jesus being divine in order to argue about it within context.
He doesnt say you secretly believe in him.
I'm sure you think because I'm arguing with somoene ese that might believe in Jesus being divine that you need to pile up on me, but that is not the case. She said: "By your participation, you're at least accepting the premise that Jesus was divine." The fact that I do not believe Jesus was divine while participating in a discussion about his divinity does not imply that I have to accept the premise of his divinity in order to take part in the discussion. That is factually ridiculous. I, in no way, have to accept some measure, even for argument's sake, the divinity of Jesus in order to participate in this discussion.
And if you think I make no sense, then I have a hard time understanding how it is you think you're telling me I'm wrong?
Originally posted by Da Pittman
❌No matter what he did he is still “God made fleshâ€, last time I check no man is “God made fleshâ€. How does a god give up his power? If he can take it away he can give it back.
OK, I will think about it. What does it mean that he took on the sins of man, what was the punishment for it? Can anyone do the same thing? I’m sure there are plenty of people out there that would take on the sins of man. If all mankind is due to be sent to hell for something that one man committed how is Jesus taking on the sin of all mankind going to help? Would Jesus suffer multiple eternities in Hell for each person’s sins?
How does God do anything? The secret things belong to the Lord. We are not told how God does a lot of things. But the point is that Jesus did it. Death followed on the heels of Adam's sin. Death is caused by the law of sin and death (there is such a thing as the law of sin and death). All of humanity is under this law because of Adam's disobedience.
In order for Adam and his posterity to be saved from the eternal wages of sin (i.e. eternal death and separation from God in the Lake of Fire) that sin debt as it were must be paid. The wages (or payment) of sin is death (spiritual and physical). Spiritual death is separation from God in the Lake of Fire. Physical death is the separation of the spirit and soul from the body. So, Adam's sin must be paid so that Adam and his descendants could be saved from eternal separation from God (because of sin). God is holy so in order to have a relationship with Him you must be holy. That is just the way that it is. It is not that you have to be perfect, that is not the issue. Our sins prevent God from having a relationship with us because He cannot look upon or abide sin. God is of purer eyes than to behold evil, and cannot look on wickedness. God is so righteous (this is Who He is intrinsically) that He is duty bound to judge sin because it is evil and destructive. God's wrath is against sin--not necessarily the sinner. But people are purveyors of sin i.e. we commit sin so God must judge the sinner because sin is a part of his/her fallen nature. We are sin-ful i.e. full of sin, which is the object of God's righteous wrath.
There is only one Person Who can take on the sins of humanity because He is not a descendant of Adam. He did not inherit Adam's sin nature. He was not born subject to the wages of sin. He did not have a sin debt of His own that needed to be paid (like Adam). He came into this world holy, sinless, righteous and full of grace and truth. His Name is Jesus the Christ. Jesus could not be convicted of sin. Jesus knew no sin i.e. He was not familiar with it from a personal standpoint. Jesus did not commit sin (no, not even once). Jesus was in all points tempted like as we are yet without sin. Jesus was tempted to lie, steal, cheat, have sex outside of marriage, commit adultery, get drunk, cheat on His taxes, engage in a homosexual relationship, masturbate, rape or molest little children, sleep with prostitutes, commit murder and other crimes, use drugs, get lifted up in pride etc. Jesus is so holy that there is no sin in Him (not a vestige or trace). For this reason, I submit to you that Jesus is the only Person qualified to take upon Himself the penalty for the sins of the world because He does not have any sin debt of His own to pay for as Adam and the rest of us. This is why Jesus is called the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world. The lamb was a sacrificial substitute that was killed on behalf of the sins of the children of Israel. It's blood atoned for i.e. covered over their sins. But Jesus is the true Lamb of God that the lamb was a figure, shadow, or type of. His blood does more than cover or conceal sin. The blood of Jesus Christ removes or takes away our sin.
Jesus does not suffer multiple eternities in Hell for each person's sins because He has satisfied God's righteous requirement for humanity's sins. The sin debt of Adam and his posterity has been paid in full by the shed blood of Christ. The blood of Jesus signifies forever the giving up (sacrificially) of His life for us. It is a done deal.
Now, I said all of that to say this: God credits Jesus' payment for sin to your sin debt if you by faith reach out and ask Him to do this. God has made a way for every sin debt to be paid. In fact, the good news (this is what the word gospel means) is that the payment is available to anyone who calls on Jesus Christ for salvation. Technically the sin debt of Adam has already been paid. All we have to do is ask for that payment to be applied to us personally. Each individual person must do this on their own. How simple is that? How hard is it to say from your heart:
Lord Jesus, save me from my sins. I accept Your payment for my sins. As a token of my gratitude I confess you as my Lord and Savior and I repent i.e. I turn away from my life of sin and I will live holy for You. Come into my heart and make me born again. Help me to live a life well-pleasing to You. I believe that God, the Father, has raised You from the dead. Thank you for saving me and paying my sin debt. I look forward to seeing You soon.
This is but one of many ways that a person can ask Jesus to save him/her from the wages of his/her sin.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[COLOR=red]Lord Jesus, save me from my sins. I accept Your payment for my sins. As a token of my gratitude I confess you as my Lord and Savior and I repent i.e. I turn away from my life of sin and I will live holy for You. Come into my heart and make me born again. Help me to live a life well-pleasing to You. I believe that God, the Father, has raised You from the dead. Thank you for saving me and paying my sin debt. I look forward to seeing You soon.This is but one of many ways that a person can ask Jesus to save him/her from the wages of his/her sin.
I like that, but a inclusion of a scripture is nice too.
Originally posted by Devil King
I'm sure you think because I'm arguing with somoene ese that might believe in Jesus being divine that you need to pile up on me, but that is not the case. She said: "By your participation, you're at least accepting the premise that Jesus was divine." The fact that I do not believe Jesus was divine while participating in a discussion about his divinity does not imply that I have to accept the premise of his divinity in order to take part in the discussion. That is factually ridiculous. I, in no way, have to accept some measure, even for argument's sake, the divinity of Jesus in order to participate in this discussion.And if you think I make no sense, then I have a hard time understanding how it is you think you're telling me I'm wrong?
Hmm...someones got a persecution complex.
I think you'll find its more common for the non-christians on this board to gang up on Christian posters...I didn't feel any need to "pile up" on you though I am quite sure you would have enjoyed it.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlivecrylaughcrylaughcrylaughcrylaughcrylaughcrylaugh
How does God do anything? The secret things belong to the Lord. We are not told how God does a lot of things. But the point is that Jesus did it. Death followed on the heels of Adam's sin. Death is caused by the law of sin and death (there is such a thing as the law of sin and death). All of humanity is under this law because of Adam's disobedience.In order for Adam and his posterity to be saved from the eternal wages of sin (i.e. eternal death and separation from God in the Lake of Fire) that sin debt as it were must be paid. The wages (or payment) of sin is death (spiritual and physical). Spiritual death is separation from God in the Lake of Fire. Physical death is the separation of the spirit and soul from the body. So, Adam's sin must be paid so that Adam and his descendants could be saved from eternal separation from God (because of sin). God is holy so in order to have a relationship with Him you must be holy. That is just the way that it is. It is not that you have to be perfect, that is not the issue. Our sins prevent God from having a relationship with us because He cannot look upon or abide sin. God is of purer eyes than to behold evil, and cannot look on wickedness. God is so righteous (this is Who He is intrinsically) that He is duty bound to judge sin because it is evil and destructive. God's wrath is against sin--not necessarily the sinner. But people are purveyors of sin i.e. we commit sin so God must judge the sinner because sin is a part of his/her fallen nature. We are sin-ful i.e. full of sin, which is the object of God's righteous wrath.
There is only one Person Who can take on the sins of humanity because He is not a descendant of Adam. He did not inherit Adam's sin nature. He was not born subject to the wages of sin. He did not have a sin debt of His own that needed to be paid (like Adam). He came into this world holy, sinless, righteous and full of grace and truth. His Name is Jesus the Christ. Jesus could not be convicted of sin. Jesus knew no sin i.e. He was not familiar with it from a personal standpoint. Jesus did not commit sin (no, not even once). Jesus was in all points tempted like as we are yet without sin. Jesus was tempted to lie, steal, cheat, have sex outside of marriage, commit adultery, get drunk, cheat on His taxes, engage in a homosexual relationship, masturbate, rape or molest little children, sleep with prostitutes, commit murder and other crimes, use drugs, get lifted up in pride etc. Jesus is so holy that there is no sin in Him (not a vestige or trace). For this reason, I submit to you that Jesus is the only Person qualified to take upon Himself the penalty for the sins of the world because He does not have any sin debt of His own to pay for as Adam and the rest of us. This is why Jesus is called the Lamb of God Who takes away the sin of the world. The lamb was a sacrificial substitute that was killed on behalf of the sins of the children of Israel. It's blood atoned for i.e. covered over their sins. But Jesus is the true Lamb of God that the lamb was a figure, shadow, or type of. His blood does more than cover or conceal sin. The blood of Jesus Christ removes or takes away our sin.
Jesus does not suffer multiple eternities in Hell for each person's sins because He has satisfied God's righteous requirement for humanity's sins. The sin debt of Adam and his posterity has been paid in full by the shed blood of Christ. The blood of Jesus signifies forever the giving up (sacrificially) of His life for us. It is a done deal.
Now, I said all of that to say this: God credits Jesus' payment for sin to your sin debt if you by faith reach out and ask Him to do this. God has made a way for every sin debt to be paid. In fact, the good news (this is what the word gospel means) is that the payment is available to anyone who calls on Jesus Christ for salvation. Technically the sin debt of Adam has already been paid. All we have to do is ask for that payment to be applied to us personally. Each individual person must do this on their own. How simple is that? How hard is it to say from your heart:
Lord Jesus, save me from my sins. I accept Your payment for my sins. As a token of my gratitude I confess you as my Lord and Savior and I repent i.e. I turn away from my life of sin and I will live holy for You. Come into my heart and make me born again. Help me to live a life well-pleasing to You. I believe that God, the Father, has raised You from the dead. Thank you for saving me and paying my sin debt. I look forward to seeing You soon.
This is but one of many ways that a person can ask Jesus to save him/her from the wages of his/her sin.
So much double talk, are you sure you are not in Congress?
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Umm...you make no sense.Clearly what the person is saying is that in the debate you should accept the possibility of Jesus being divine in order to argue about it within context.
He doesnt say you secretly believe in him.
Thank you. That's exactly what I was saying.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Hmm...someones got a persecution complex.I think you'll find its more common for the non-christians on this board to gang up on Christian posters...I didn't feel any need to "pile up" on you though I am quite sure you would have enjoyed it.
Well, do everyone a favor and spend less time speaking for everyone else and more time speaking for yourself.
No, you meant to pile up. You saw an opprotunity to think you had the support of anothe rposter and thought you'd be presumptive enough to speak for them.
See, that's speaking for someone else.
Is everything you say a profound two-faced bit of rubbish? You accuse me of having a persecution complex and then say it's the christians that are persecuted on this forum. You tell me I make no sense and then spend an entire paragraph telling me why what I'm saying is wrong. You profess to want to be a prienst and then make fun of some's mortal sin.
See, you shouldn't open your posts with an insult, because then that's all you think about for the rest of the post and you end up subconsciously responding to your insult rather than responding to the post with which you take issue.