Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is because this is also hell, and 8 other worlds. Have you not ever experienced heaven in your life time? I do every time I look into space at the countless stars, or sit on the beach and listen to the waves, or watch a sunset.
So your definition of "heaven" is being awed by natural phenomena?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
If a definition already exists, why create your own?I have no right to decide that iron is a gas.
Changing definitions? The idea of heaven came from the belief in Hinduism of the Ten Worlds. Long before Christianity came into being, people believed that when they died they would reincarnate into one of the ten worlds, base upon the good or bad things they did in this life. Buddhism mealy clarified this belief by showing that these are life conditions and not real worlds.
BTW iron can be a gas.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Changing definitions? The idea of heaven came from the belief in Hinduism of the Ten Worlds. Long before Christianity came into being, people believed that when they died they would reincarnate into one of the ten worlds, base upon the good or bad things they did in this life. Buddhism mealy clarified this belief by showing that these are life conditions and not real worlds.
First off, Heaven does not come from Hinduism.
But just to entertain that claim: how would a tribe in the Middle East 3,000 years ago have come into contact with such a concept? There weren't many gurus in Solomon's kingdom.
Also, the Abrahamic Heaven is completely different from Brahman/"breaking free from the curse of reincarnation".
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
BTW iron can be a gas.
If you superheat it. Not in its natural state.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
But didn't the Hindus believe that eventually they would stop reincarnating and reach a heavenly state of being? Tell me if that's not right.
You're right. My Hindu employee honestly believes that he's currently living his last life. How he arrived to that, i have no idea.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
First off, Heaven does not come from Hinduism.But just to entertain that claim: how would a tribe in the Middle East 3,000 years ago have come into contact with such a concept? There weren't many gurus in Solomon's kingdom.
Also, the Abrahamic Heaven is completely different from Brahman/"breaking free from the curse of reincarnation".
If you superheat it. Not in its natural state.
Hinduism is far older then Judaism. Also, according to the bible, the kingdom of Israel was a world player at it's time.
Alexander the Great connected the eastern world with the middle east in the 300s BC. Along with trade, ideas were exchanged. So, to say that Israel was isolated from the rest of the world is contradictory to the facts at hand.
Does a religion being older than another mean that its definition of Heaven is correct? If the Hindu culture and the Semitic cultures at the time really did have a user-friendly exchange of ideas and the Jewish people still held onto their own definition of Heaven, which is different from the Hindu definition from the sounds of it, couldn't that mean they too were on to something?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Hinduism is far older then Judaism. Also, according to the bible, the kingdom of Israel was a world player at it's time.Alexander the Great connected the eastern world with the middle east in the 300s BC. Along with trade, ideas were exchanged. So, to say that Israel was isolated from the rest of the world is contradictory to the facts at hand.
And before Alexander, Persia had an empire that connected the Middle East and the Subcontinent. And before that, Judaism was established long before Jews and Hindus knew the other existed. So the Abrahamic concept of Heaven was not "stolen" or "borrowed" from people who ascribe divinity to paintings of a monkey blowing a conch.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Does a religion being older than another mean that its definition of Heaven is correct? If the Hindu culture and the Semitic cultures at the time really did have a user-friendly exchange of ideas and the Jewish people still held onto their own definition of Heaven, which is different from the Hindu definition from the sounds of it, couldn't that mean they too were on to something?
No.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Does a religion being older than another mean that its definition of Heaven is correct? If the Hindu culture and the Semitic cultures at the time really did have a user-friendly exchange of ideas and the Jewish people still held onto their own definition of Heaven, which is different from the Hindu definition from the sounds of it, couldn't that mean they too were on to something?
Maybe, but it is more likely that an older idea was adopted and changed by a younger religion. That is how we got the date for Christmas, after all.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And before Alexander, Persia had an empire that connected the Middle East and the Subcontinent. And before that, Judaism was established long before Jews and Hindus knew the other existed. So the Abrahamic concept of Heaven was not "stolen" or "borrowed" from people who ascribe divinity to paintings of a monkey blowing a conch.No.
However, the oldest forms of Judaism did not have a concept of heaven like the idea that we are talking about. Heaven was the sky and starts.
Originally posted by willofthewispi believe thats right, but far be it from me to understand hinduism. i dont pretend to understand most or any of the eastern religions. from what ive heard, that would sound correct, but i honestly have no clue.
But didn't the Hindus believe that eventually they would stop reincarnating and reach a heavenly state of being? Tell me if that's not right.
Originally posted by RobtardHeaven is knowing you can have it now. It's hard to explain with everything going on around you, but it's your perception of it.
Like an orgasm.
Example: You might think you were treated awful by a parent and see yourself as a victim...or maybe a parent had died and you felt helpless. That is your perception as we have been taught, but looking at the bigger picture it could be a strength. You learned how to be strong, you learned how to over come, you learned how to defend yourself, you learned to have compassion and empathy. It's all how you look at it all. When you change your perception, your life will follow...I know it's sounds strange and it's very hard to explain.
What you did do is grow in who you are. If your perception didn't see this, then you will always be the victim and you will continue to be the victim and nothing will change for you.