Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://thespiritofislam.com/text/Q06.html[COLOR=darkblue]I believe that the spirit that appeared to Muhammad in the cave was the devil. The spirit squeezed him repeatedly (at times to the point of death). Some say that the spirit was the angel Gabriel. Read what the Bible says about Gabriel and you will discover that there is no record of him ever squeezing anyone, so I conclude that it was the devil. Apparently it was this evil spirit that provided the material for the Qur'an. COLOR]
JIA, I'm not a believer in Islam, either, and to be honest, I have a lot of problems with the specifics of that faith. But to flat out call it evil seems to be disapproving of God's decisions.
Genesis 21:13 clearly shows he had a plan for Ishmael. This is kind of where Christianity and Islam separate. They pretty much are in agreement until the point of which of Abraham's sons to follow. Christians choose Isaac, and Muslims choose Ishmael. But God promised Hagar he would make a great nation starting with Ishmael. I can't make the call whether or not God approves of Islam, but I don't think he condemns it when he looked after the boy who would start the whole thing up.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
JIA, I'm not a believer in Islam, either, and to be honest, I have a lot of problems with the specifics of that faith. But to flat out call it evil seems to be disapproving of God's decisions.Genesis 21:13 clearly shows he had a plan for Ishmael. This is kind of where Christianity and Islam separate. They pretty much are in agreement until the point of which of Abraham's sons to follow. Christians choose Isaac, and Muslims choose Ishmael. But God promised Hagar he would make a great nation starting with Ishmael. I can't make the call whether or not God approves of Islam, but I don't think he condemns it when he looked after the boy who would start the whole thing up.
Well, I don't believe that God (YHWH) endorses any religion because the Bible states,
Acts 4:12
12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Salvation from sin can only be achieved through faith in Jesus Christ, so God (YHWH) would be at cross purposes with Himself to approve of any other religion as an avenue whereby people can be saved and come to Him.
I don't agree with you that Christianity and Islam are in agreement at any juncture. God's (YHWH's) will concerning Ishmael had nothing to do with religion but with the nation that would arise from Ishamel descendants. Again, God (YHWH) is not in favor of anything or anyone who opposes, blasphemes, and contradicts His Word and the Qur'an (which is an Islamic product) does this. The Qur'an denies the triune nature of God (YHWH), that God (YHWH) has a Son, and that Jesus is divine.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThat doesn't mean that he didn't, it just isn't written 😉 Just because they didn't write about his kneecap doesn't mean he doesn't have one 😛
But...it certainly wasn't God's (i.e. YHWH's) angel Gabriel. There is no record anywhere in the Bible of Gabriel assaulting anyone.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Just because the heat is concentrated on JIA in this thread doesn't mean you posting has escaped the sight of the idiocy police.
Wow. Idiocy police. Nice. I put no heat on JIA, as I recall, I said I was interested in learning of the interprtation outside of the Bible, which really can't be held as factual evidence. But the insult was a nice touch though and a great way to win debates. Wait that's politics. 🙁
Originally posted by socool8520
Wow. Idiocy police. Nice. I put no heat on JIA, as I recall, I said I was interested in learning of the interprtation outside of the Bible, which really can't be held as factual evidence. But the insult was a nice touch though and a great way to win debates. Wait that's politics. 🙁
I was never debating with you...thus my post could hardly be seen as my trying to win a debate...
I was pointing out that its sometimes wrong to jump on bashing bandwagons.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I was never debating with you...thus my post could hardly be seen as my trying to win a debate...I was pointing out that its sometimes wrong to jump on bashing bandwagons.
I don't agree with you that Christianity and Islam are in agreement at any juncture
List of overlaps:
Both assert the virgin birth,
Both assert the infallibility of their holy book,
Both forbid murder,
Both assert a paradise after death,
Both are monotheistic,
Both have historical roots shared with Judaism
Both have little to no empirical evidence for the existence of their god or afterlife
These are just the ones from the top of my head. I can do a search for a more definitive list if anyone cares.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Well, I don't believe that God (YHWH) endorses any religion because the Bible states,[B]Acts 4:12
12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other Name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”Salvation from sin can only be achieved through faith in Jesus Christ, so God (YHWH) would be at cross purposes with Himself to approve of any other religion as an avenue whereby people can be saved and come to Him.
I don't agree with you that Christianity and Islam are in agreement at any juncture. God's (YHWH's) will concerning Ishmael had nothing to do with religion but with the nation that would arise from Ishamel descendants. Again, God (YHWH) is not in favor of anything or anyone who opposes, blasphemes, and contradicts His Word and the Qur'an (which is an Islamic product) does this. The Qur'an denies the triune nature of God (YHWH), that God (YHWH) has a Son, and that Jesus is divine. [/B]
the word trinity didnt exist in the bible
noweher does jesus say himself that he was the biological son of god
the quran says that jesus was a human and yet had more divinity than angels, just like all the other major prophets
both islam and christianity are in great agreement over the stories of solomon, adam, evev, abraham, ishmael, isaac, jacob, and the immaculate conception of jesus,
they have very similar angels, a satan, an afterlife, a day of judgement, gog/magog, the second coming of jesus, etc etc etc. ofcourse both are wrong.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
the word trinity didnt exist in the biblenoweher does jesus say himself that he was the biological son of god
the quran says that jesus was a human and yet had more divinity than angels, just like all the other major prophets
both islam and christianity are in great agreement over the stories of solomon, adam, evev, abraham, ishmael, isaac, jacob, and the immaculate conception of jesus,
they have very similar angels, a satan, an afterlife, a day of judgement, gog/magog, the second coming of jesus, etc etc etc. ofcourse both are wrong.
Mohammed was married to a Catholic. Perhaps he mixed what he learned from her with his own twisted ideas and came up with the Qur'an.
Originally posted by Jbill311
List of overlaps:
Both assert the virgin birth,
Both assert the infallibility of their holy book,
Both forbid murder,
Both assert a paradise after death,
Both are monotheistic,
Both have historical roots shared with Judaism
Both have little to no empirical evidence for the existence of their god or afterlifeThese are just the ones from the top of my head. I can do a search for a more definitive list if anyone cares.
Mohammed was married to a Catholic. Perhaps he mixed what he learned from her with his own twisted ideas and came up with the Qur'an.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Mohammed was married to a Catholic. Perhaps he mixed what he learned from her with his own twisted ideas and came up with the Qur'an.
Considering she was the first convert to Islam, her Catholic faith must not have been very strong to begin with. I wouldn't consider anything about him to be too twisted until after she died, when he started marrying 9 year old girls. Khadija was probably the best thing that ever happened to him since all her biographies say she was awesome, but they also all mention she had no reluctance at all when it came to converting and that she trusted her husbands "revelations" 100%.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Considering she was the first convert to Islam, her Catholic faith must not have been very strong to begin with. I wouldn't consider anything about him to be too twisted until after she died, when he started marrying 9 year old girls. Khadija was probably the best thing that ever happened to him since all her biographies say she was awesome, but they also all mention she had no reluctance at all when it came to converting and that she trusted her husbands "revelations" 100%.
So, because she converted to Islam, does that make her a weaker person? When you say "Considering she was the first convert to Islam, her Catholic faith must not have been very strong to begin with", that makes it sound like you are saying she was a weak person. Maybe Islam would better for her.