Originally posted by AngryManatee
I can post yootoobs as well
Response to fused chromosome # 2.
Originally posted by AngryManatee
I can post yootoobs as well
Response to fused chromosome # 2.
Originally posted by Robtard
There's a simple explanation for that, the Devil made it seem like chromosome #2 has been fused, to trick us.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Response to fused chromosome # 2.YouTube video
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Nominated for lamest response ever. Let's think about this: if something is "fused," then by definition, it had to at some time been UN-fused. Right? Or did a god make it look like that to test our faith?
And in case you didn't actually watch the video: "You'll notice, multiple sub telomeric duplications, the telomeres that don't belong, and lo and behold, the centromere that is inactivated, corresponds to chimp chromosome 13. It's there, it's testable..."
Originally posted by AngryManatee
Nominated for lamest response ever. Let's think about this: if something is "fused," then by definition, it had to at some time been UN-fused. Right? Or did a god make it look like that to test our faith?
http://www.evolutionfairytale.com/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t1356.html
Originally posted by AngryManatee
Nominated for lamest response ever. Let's think about this: if something is "fused," then by definition, it had to at some time been UN-fused. Right? Or did a god make it look like that to test our faith?And in case you didn't actually watch the video: "You'll notice, multiple sub telomeric duplications, the telomeres that don't belong, and lo and behold, the centromere that is inactivated, corresponds to chimp chromosome 13. It's there, it's testable..."
Where is the proof that the fusion occurred? How do you know that the fusion was not already there initially?
Originally posted by Da Pittmanfirst of all, this is 100,000 years aggo, we were supposed to have some sort of warm blooded creatures at that point. Those things you listed are not warm blooded. And I did make an error. i have the balls to admit that. i should have taken the difference between today's winter and today's summer and multiplied those by 19. so lets just play with the worst case scenario. Chicago, hottest day recorded is 100 degrees. Chicago, coldest day recorded is -27 degrees. 127 degrees multiply that x 19=2413. So we are going to have a temperature fluctuation of 2413 degrees depending on where the earth is in accordance to the sun. I do not know what the temperature would actually be, but the fluctuation would be incredible, and most indeedily unsurviveable.
OK, here are a couple of questions that I would like your answer too.What about Snowball Earth?
What about hyperthermophiles?
What about Pseudoalteromonas haloplanktis?Both of these organisms live today is environments that would kill 95% of the life on this planet, so why wouldn't life that evolved during extreme temperatures resist even your temperatures if correct?
OK, looking at a bit more about your 100,000 year thing I still see nothing that comes even close to 2000 degree day.
http://hubpages.com/hub/Earths-Temperature-Brief-History-of-Recent-Change
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Where is the proof that the fusion occurred? How do you know that the fusion was not already there initially?
Basic logic should have kicked in before you asked that question, what's scarier, he explained it to you and you still posed the nonsense question.
If they're fused, they at some point they had to be un-fused. It's either that, or the "Intelligent Designer" did this on purpose as some form of trickery.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
YouTube video
I stopped watching when the idiot claimed "I can prove it, we have the fossil record; it shows all the steps". Did you miss my response to your "Cambrian Explosion" youtube post?
We have an incomplete fossil record, we don't have all the connections, what we do have is ample proof to support Evolution Theory, if we had a complete fossil record, it would be known as Evolution Fact. Just like you can pretty much tell what the picture on a puzzle is without having to put it completely together.
Originally posted by Robtard
Basic logic should have kicked in before you asked that question, what's scarier, he explained it to you and you still posed the nonsense question.If they're fused, they at some point they had to be un-fused. It's either that, or the "Intelligent Designer" did this on purpose as some form of trickery.
But you are presupposing that evolution occurred without proving it first and establishing it as a fact. You have the cart before the horse. First prove that evolution occurred then substantiate that the fusion was not already preexistent in human DNA.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But you are presupposing that evolution occurred without proving it first and establishing it as a fact. You have the cart before the horse. First prove that evolution occurred then substantiate that the fusion was not already preexistent in human DNA.
Good lord, in the case of chromosome 2 being fused, either it wasn't fused and it became fused, ie changed over time/evolved, or it was created/designed that way as some form of trickery.
Repeat: It's fused, so it had to be un-fused at some point.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But you are presupposing that evolution occurred without proving it first and establishing it as a fact. You have the cart before the horse. First prove that evolution occurred then substantiate that the fusion was not already preexistent in human DNA.
Evidence for fusing of two ancestral chromosomes to create human chromosome 2 and where there has been no fusion in other Great Apes is:
1) The analogous chromosomes (2p and 2q) in the non-human great apes can be shown, when laid end to end, to create an identical banding structure to the human chromosome 2. (1)
2) The remains of the sequence that the chromosome has on its ends (the telomere) is found in the middle of human chromosome 2 where the ancestral chromosomes fused. (2)
3) the detail of this region (pre-telomeric sequence, telomeric sequence, reversed telomeric sequence, pre-telomeric sequence) is exactly what we would expect from a fusion. (3)
4) this telomeric region is exactly where one would expect to find it if a fusion had occurred in the middle of human chromosome 2.
5) the centromere of human chromosome 2 lines up with the chimp chromosome 2p chromosomal centromere.
6) At the place where we would expect it on the human chromosome we find the remnants of the chimp 2q centromere (4).
Not only is this strong evidence for a fusion event, but it is also strong evidence for common ancestry.
Originally posted by Robtard
I stopped watching when the idiot claimed "I can prove it, we have the fossil record; it shows all the steps". Did you miss my response to your "Cambrian Explosion" youtube post?We have an [b]incomplete fossil record
, we don't have all the connections, what we do have is ample proof to support Evolution Theory, if we had a complete fossil record, it would be known as Evolution Fact. Just like you can pretty much tell what the picture on a puzzle is without having to put it completely together. [/B]
What ample proof? Ample proof that something existed? Those fossils do not prove that any organism evolved from a lower state to a more advanced one. Question: can you prove that any fossil ever reproduced? Your fossil record is incomplete because no two organisms are identical (barring identical twins of the human kind), but discrete entities. You don't have all the connections because there are none (they don't exist).
God (according to the Bible) created all life. It is plausible that many organisms share similar characteristics by mere coincidence or as a deliberate act of God's creative design. The only common ancestry I observe among organisms is that all life share a common God.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But you are presupposing that evolution occurred without proving it first and establishing it as a fact. You have the cart before the horse. First prove that evolution occurred then substantiate that the fusion was not already preexistent in human DNA.
okay you are really starting to piss me off with your halve ass circular logic... this thread should have been closed a long time ago you have nothing to add to your thread..
having said that lets start again with what ppl have repeatedly told you already...
evolution is not a complete fact. it is an evolutionary theory, their is a major difference.
you want absolute proof but lets start with your religion where is your proof. i can and many other ppl who have study theology can point out a lot of flaws and inconsistencies with the bible and it accuracy.
you also use selective parts of science to some how support your believe in your religion while ignoring the full study and research.. somehow claiming that it was religion that somehow discovered inconsistencies in the darwins theory...when the simplist truth is that he was an 18th century person making nothing more then observations with the limited knowledge at hand. it was scientist not religion that has pointed out his flaws in his belief system and observation not the church or religion. before you go trolling your own thread and qouting the bible and using circular logic that you blatantly admitted to pick up a biology book or take some college courses before you run your mouth. or should i say fingers.
there are other scientific forums that you can post your videos and questions.. maybe you should try going to one of them and see what they have to say to some of your comments and videos. notice i said comment because you do not even debate or make an intellegent
argument.