Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm not interested in that topic. I want to talk about the murders god DID commit in the bible.
How can God the Creator, Giver and Sustainer of Life and all that exists commit as you say murder? That is a contradiction of terms. God has the right to do as He pleases and recall his air from mine and your lungs anytime that He good well pleases.
Does not the potter have power over the clay?
The artist over his/her work?
The chemist over his/her research and experiments?
Surely then the Creator of all matter living and nonliving has at least that right.
Tell me something King Kandy...what does God owe you? He already gave you life. In reality God doesn't owe you anything. He doesn't have to explain or justify Himself to you or me--but He does through His Word that He has made available to us. If it were not for God you would not exist for it was He and He alone that set into motion the law of procreation--not your parents or their ancestors. God gives life and God can recall it. God is the manufacturer. It is okay for an auto manufacturer or other company to recall their products and destroy them for being faulty but if God does it He is a somehow unjust.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
How can God the Creator, Giver and Sustainer of Life and all that exists commit as you say murder? That is a contradiction of terms. God has the right to do as He pleases and recall his air from mine and your lungs anytime that He good well pleases.Does not the potter have power over the clay?
The artist over his/her work?
The chemist over his/her research and experiments?
Surely then the Creator of all matter living and nonliving has at least that right.
Tell me something King Kandy...what does God owe you? He already gave you life. In reality God doesn't owe you anything. He doesn't have to explain or justify Himself to you or me--but He does through His Word that He has made available to us. If it were not for God you would not exist for it was He and He alone that set into motion the law of procreation--not your parents or their ancestors. God gives life and God can recall it. God is the manufacturer. It is okay for an auto manufacturer or other company to recall their products and destroy them for being faulty but if God does it He is a somehow unjust.
By that logic, you support parents having the right to kill their children without fear of penalty. (Yes, God supports this too, at least with the female children)
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
How can God the Creator, Giver and Sustainer of Life and all that exists commit as you say murder? That is a contradiction of terms. God has the right to do as He pleases and recall his air from mine and your lungs anytime that He good well pleases.Does not the potter have power over the clay?
The artist over his/her work?
The chemist over his/her research and experiments?
Surely then the Creator of all matter living and nonliving has at least that right.
Tell me something King Kandy...what does God owe you? He already gave you life. In reality God doesn't owe you anything. He doesn't have to explain or justify Himself to you or me--but He does through His Word that He has made available to us. If it were not for God you would not exist for it was He and He alone that set into motion the law of procreation--not your parents or their ancestors. God gives life and God can recall it. God is the manufacturer. It is okay for an auto manufacturer or other company to recall their products and destroy them for being faulty but if God does it He is a somehow unjust.
Originally posted by Eon Blue
I never understood the notion that a good and loving God would create a concept such as death.
Death didn't exist until Eve ate the apple, this is also the reason why child-birth is painful and why women are subservient to God.
Now, this is a clear indication that the Bible was written by macho men wanting to subjugate women, but we won't tell JIA that. So shhhh, keep it on the down-low.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
How can God the Creator, Giver and Sustainer of Life and all that exists commit as you say murder? That is a contradiction of terms. God has the right to do as He pleases and recall his air from mine and your lungs anytime that He good well pleases.Does not the potter have power over the clay?
The artist over his/her work?
The chemist over his/her research and experiments?
Surely then the Creator of all matter living and nonliving has at least that right.
Tell me something King Kandy...what does God owe you? He already gave you life. In reality God doesn't owe you anything. He doesn't have to explain or justify Himself to you or me--but He does through His Word that He has made available to us. If it were not for God you would not exist for it was He and He alone that set into motion the law of procreation--not your parents or their ancestors. God gives life and God can recall it. God is the manufacturer. It is okay for an auto manufacturer or other company to recall their products and destroy them for being faulty but if God does it He is a somehow unjust.
I'm sorry, but murder means something very specific, if "God" does what is stated in the definition of "murder" it applies to him just as well. And no, even if you consider him the creator that doesn't exclude him from that.
For example, if there was a word, lets say, sqwabbletuck, which means "to break an already baked clay vase" and the potter that made said vase breaks it he still commits sqwabbletuck, even though he created it in the first place.
Hope that helps you understand some more.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Negative. If the cars auto makers produced were alive, it WOULD be wrong to destroy them.
"...it would be wrong...." Seriously, says who King Kandy?
Do you see how you just expressed your own absolute but when God--the Creator--does it in His Word you have a problem with it?
Originally posted by Robtard
By that logic, you support parents having the right to kill their children without fear of penalty. (Yes, God supports this too, at least with the female children)
You have missed the obvious...God is the Creator. Yes God is also a Parent as such but He is God first and foremost and He transcends human beings so you cannot really make that kind of comparison.
Originally posted by Robtard
Death didn't exist until Eve ate the apple, this is also the reason why child-birth is painful and why women are subservient to God.Now, this is a clear indication that the Bible was written by macho men wanting to subjugate women, but we won't tell JIA that. So shhhh, keep it on the down-low.
Apple? What apple? Do you see how we add things into the Bible that the Bible does not state?
Actually sin is the reason not death per se. Death is the result of sin not the other way around.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I'm sorry, but murder means something very specific, if "God" does what is stated in the definition of "murder" it applies to him just as well. And no, even if you consider him the creator that doesn't exclude him from that.For example, if there was a word, lets say, sqwabbletuck, which means "to break an already baked clay vase" and the potter that made said vase breaks it he still commits sqwabbletuck, even though he created it in the first place.
Hope that helps you understand some more.
God cannot murder because God is the Giver of life. God has just as much right to give life as He does to recall it.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You have missed the obvious...God is the Creator. Yes God is also a Parent as such but He is God first and foremost and He transcends human beings so you cannot really make that kind of comparison.
Of course you can't, and god can murder if that is what he wishes to do. However, it does make him an evil god.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God cannot murder because God is the Giver of life. God has just as much right to give life as He does to recall it.
So, god can't do something?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"...it would be wrong...." Seriously, says who King Kandy?Do you see how you just expressed your own absolute but when God--the Creator--does it in His Word you have a problem with it?
Originally posted by King Kandy
That's because, God is a hypocrite if he passes down moral laws to us, but does not follow them himself.
God cannot commit murder because He is the Creator, Giver, and Sustainer of all that is--including living things. This places God in a class all by Himself.
I must admit this is a difficult concept to grasp. We (people in general) try to comprehend God and His ways with our finite, human mind in this three dimensional realm. But God transcends both our limited thinking and this physical construct.
Simply put you cannot understand God nor can you put Him in your little box (i.e. yours, mine, and everyone else's inferior logic, reason, and other mental thought processing capabilities). We cannot bring God down to our level of understanding and try to explain Him. We must go up to His level. But we can never be on God's level. So God simply must reveal Himself to us.
God has gone to great length to help us understand His nature and ways. His Word--the Bible--is replete with Names and adjectives that give us insight into Who God is. Those Who accuse God of being this way or that way (negatively) really do not know Him. They have simply read something or heard something about God but never took the time to understand why something happened.
You must come to terms with this fact: no matter what happens to you or me in this life God is always just and God is always right. Nevertheless, this is a difficult thing for many people to do because we all experience some kind of suffering. But our suffering and pain does not change Who God is. In the midst of our misery and hurt God is still good and God is still love. But what we do is try to measure and gauge God's love which is absolute and unchangeable with how our life is going at the time like a barometer. If the sky is blue, the sun is shining, we got money in the bank, our love life is going great, our kids are prospering and obedient, and our career is skyrocketing then we say that God is good. But as soon as we start to experience any adversity all of a sudden we call God's unchanging character into question. God was the same just, good, loving, kind, merciful God before you lost your job that He was after you lost your house. God is not good because you can pay your bills. God is good because God is good. God is not love because your spouse or significant other is head over hills in love with you, you just got promoted, your dog loves you, or because all of your dreams come true for you. God was love before all of that and God will be love if none of that is true in your life.
Do you follow what I'm saying?