God and Evil

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But even an ant can bite us, can we bite god?

I think Terry Pratchet covers this in his Discworld novels. If we all as a species stopped believing in him, will he cease to exsist?

Originally posted by MilitantDog
I think Terry Pratchet covers this in his Discworld novels. If we all as a species stopped believing in him, will he cease to exsist?

No

So did God, create Evil? or is Evil a result of man? But then according to Intelligent Design isn't then Evil, the product of man, a by product of God's creation?

The Forbidden Fruit Tree? What was the point of that? Surely if God was all knowing then surely he would of known the result of leaving the Tree in Eden.

But then is Evil the flip side of God? Maybe Satan isn;t the be all and end of all when it comes to the ultimate bad guy. Maybe there is something as equal in power to God thwarting God at every turn.

Or is Evil completely separate from Religion and an intrinsic in existence? Or is it just a mental mind set and position. If a culture sticks puppies on spikes on Tuesdays and has done since time immemorial, they themselves would not view it as Evil but an outsider would consider it a horribly evil thing to do.

Or is Evil a man made idea, like Time? No animal in nature displays Evil behaviour.

(Steps back into padded cell and speaks to the wall.)

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
No

Prove it.

Originally posted by MilitantDog
Prove it.

Done.

Originally posted by MilitantDog
I think Terry Pratchet covers this in his Discworld novels. If we all as a species stopped believing in him, will he cease to exsist?

Yes!

Just look at what happen to the Egyptian gods, or the Greek gods.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Done.

You have proved nothing. Hence doesn't exist.

So what if all mankind was wiped from the Earth tomorrow (plague, war take your pick). Who would worship God then? Who would praise Jesus? They are both constructs of the human mind and with out humans to propagate the belief that these constructs exist, the would cease to exist.

Or would God upgrade the duck billed platypus to the chosen life form?

Originally posted by MilitantDog
I think Terry Pratchet covers this in his Discworld novels. If we all as a species stopped believing in him, will he cease to exsist?

Pratchet's Gods are personifications of various concepts they are explicitly dependent on belief and worship for existence. The Christian God is never stated to have any of those qualities.

Also the real kicker is that most people of the Disc are atheists anyway . . . and the Gods still exist.

We can also say that Jack Kirby covered the subject and proved you wrong. "Gods are not dependent on mortals, mortals are dependent on the Gods."

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Pratchet's Gods are personifications of various concepts they are explicitly dependent on belief and worship for existence. The Christian God is never stated to have any of those qualities.

Also the real kicker is that most people of the Disc are atheists anyway . . . and the Gods still exist.

We can also say that Jack Kirby covered the subject and proved you wrong. "Gods are not dependent on mortals, mortals are dependent on the Gods."

Unfortunately for Kirby's statement proving me wrong I think your arse is getting more of a chance at control than your brain.

Mortals exist. Undeniable. Mortals believe in Gods. Unfortunate but also true. Gods existing. Wells that is where the problem lies. They don't so Jack Kirby is just so much hot air.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Pratchet's Gods are personifications of various concepts they are explicitly dependent on belief and worship for existence. The Christian God is never stated to have any of those qualities.

Also the real kicker is that most people of the Disc are atheists anyway . . . and the Gods still exist.

We can also say that Jack Kirby covered the subject and proved you wrong. "Gods are not dependent on mortals, mortals are dependent on the Gods."

Ummm I'm guessing you haven't read many of the Discworld books. Many of the characters and sub-characters believe in the Gods. They have temples and everything. Not much point building a temple to something you believe in is there.

Oh and just to completly destroy you point here is a little something from the cult of wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld_gods

Enjoy

Originally posted by MilitantDog
Unfortunately for Kirby's statement proving me wrong I think your arse is getting more of a chance at control than your brain.

Mortals exist. Undeniable. Mortals believe in Gods. Unfortunate but also true. Gods existing. Wells that is where the problem lies. They don't so Jack Kirby is just so much hot air.

Tautology. Lack of proof. Epic failure.

Gods. Lack of proof. Epic Fail.

At least this is well thought out discourse.

Originally posted by MilitantDog
Gods. Lack of proof. Epic Fail.

It has been proven to me he exists...

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
It has been proven to me he exists...

The fact you hear voices in your head does not prove the exsistance of God or any other "all powerful being". It just means you need to stop licking the paintwork.

Originally posted by inimalist
At least this is well thought out discourse.

Its not my fault they have nothing more constructive to say.

Originally posted by MilitantDog
Its not my fault they have nothing more constructive to say.

I was talking to you more than anything, but an interesting analysis of other's arguments none the less. I'd stick to your epiphanal rants about good and evil being relative 😉

(lol, or maybe you just need more time in that padded cell)

Originally posted by MilitantDog
Its not my fault they have nothing more constructive to say.

Yes it is. When your arguments are built entirely on tautology there is no reason to justify your delusions by "discussing" them.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
tautology

Originally posted by Da Pittman
😆 I like that

You'd think if he were as clever as he pretends he'd counter by pointing out that religious arguments rely on the same concept. He'd also notice that I'm using the word to mean circular logic, which isn't exactly accurate.