Prequel Trilogy Opinion Poll (2 years later)

Started by Schecter13 pages

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Umm, cuz it's three more movies set in the SW universe?

Because it's the story of vader and the Empire coming to power?

Because it has incredibly improved action sequences and lightsaber duels?

Because it's incredibly epic?

Because of the phenominal acting?

this is what i mean. has the world gone mad? when has a film ever been celebrated as on of the greats in spite of bad or at best-dry acting? (unintentional camp excluded) you all know i blame lucas' sub-par directing and not the cast of extremely versatile and able actors, but the fact remains that the end result, regardless of fault, is unconvincing and wooden characters. only the unconditional love and loyalty of life-long fans could begat such lunacy.

I always say this:

Lucas made the OT with a lot of restrictions, and I mean a LOT!
He made the PT without mentionable restrictions.

So why did the PT turn out as it did?

Originally posted by queeq
So why did the PT turn out as it did?
Originally posted by queeq
Lucas made the OT with a lot of restrictions, and I mean a LOT!
He made the PT without mentionable restrictions.

Yes?

Originally posted by Schecter
this is what i mean. has the world gone mad? when has a film ever been celebrated as on of the greats in spite of bad or at best-dry acting? (unintentional camp excluded) you all know i blame lucas' sub-par directing and not the cast of extremely versatile and able actors, but the fact remains that the end result, regardless of fault, is unconvincing and wooden characters. only the unconditional love and loyalty of life-long fans could begat such lunacy.

Excatly why only ANH is the only Star Wars film that could even be remotely considered as a great film.

Originally posted by Alliance
Excatly why only ANH is the only Star Wars film that could even be remotely considered as a great film.

whatever, lucas was a completely different and more agreeable person in 1976. 😬 (plus he had much help from alec guinness in regards to motivating actors)

Originally posted by Alliance
Excatly why only ANH is the only Star Wars film that could even be remotely considered as a great film.

So explain to me then why ESB ranks in the Top Ten Best films on IMDB?

Me thinks Alliance is fed up of us parading ESB. He's become delusionsal. First, it was the clone welfare commity, now this! 😛

Aye, both ANH and ESB are regarded as classic, great movies.

ROTJ less so, but it's with the other two, which make it better by association.

I've no illusions that the PT will be seen as great, classic films but I do believe that ROTS on it's own is seen as a : "really good" star wars film.

It may be remembered on a few lists at some point, who knows?

Originally posted by Schecter
whatever, lucas was a completely different and more agreeable person in 1976. 😬 (plus he had much help from alec guinness in regards to motivating actors)

Certainly Guiness was a titan in that movie. I think his acting alone makes Kenobi one of the most interesting figures in the Saga. More intersting than Anakin imo.

Originally posted by queeq
So explain to me then why ESB ranks in the Top Ten Best films on IMDB?

Because people don't have taste? I dunno. i don't really try to explain pop decisions. ESB can never take ANH's position in history or society.

Originally posted by exanda kane
Me thinks Alliance is fed up of us parading ESB. He's become delusionsal. First, it was the clone welfare commity, now this! 😛

Parading would go under the category of over-glorification.

I like ESB a lot. Its not my favorite. Thats my opinion. I don't think warrants the obsession it gets.

I like clones a lot, thats no secret, and I've written several lengthy posts on why i think they are fascinating.

I'm not denying that Blade Runner, Alien, and Aliens are decent films, but personally, I wouldn't say great.

Part of it might be that I'm 17 years old and some of those films are dated to me, therefore, the things that made them good back then don't apply to now and they don't apply to me.

Blade Runner was an alright film. I'm a huge sci-fi fan and I really like Harrison Ford, so I thought I'd like it a lot more than I did. It presented a grim future (which I've seen/read many times) and added a slight twist with the Androids. I don't love the film or hate it, I just don't think it's very good. I'd rate any of the PT films ahead of it anyday.

As for Alien... MOST BORING FILM EVER. Alright, that's a bit of an overstatement, but honestly, I've seen the film twice and both times I just about gave up. I'm not an ignorant guy who can't appreciate a solid plot-driven film that's a little (or a lot) slow, but Jebus, this one didn't have much going for it.

I did enjoy Aliens, however.

Originally posted by Alliance
Certainly Guiness was a titan in that movie. I think his acting alone makes Kenobi one of the most interesting figures in the Saga. More intersting than Anakin imo.

agreed, but the point i was making though was that guinness served as inspiration to fisher, ford, and hammill, and likely pushed them to discover their character, rather than simply uncle george forcing dialogue into actors who seem to have no motivation other than "look sad" "look angry" "look happy". that much was clear in the documentary. they might not have come off as such deep characters without his guidance imho.

i dunno i thought only Hammil was inspired by Guinness
they got on well away from acting too during the Tunisia shoot
i know that the minor english actors were influenced by Guinness in signing up for SW because they thought if Guiness was in the flick it must be ok because he wouldnt "be in any old rubbish".

Its funny how the PT resembles Anakin/Vader - something that was once good,fun with heart now replaced by something cold,technical and without barely any feeling with Lucas The Emperor distant answering to nobody

Originally posted by Schecter
agreed, but the point i was making though was that guinness served as inspiration to fisher, ford, and hammill, and likely pushed them to discover their character, rather than simply uncle george forcing dialogue into actors who seem to have no motivation other than "look sad" "look angry" "look happy". that much was clear in the documentary. they might not have come off as such deep characters without his guidance imho.

I agree.

I appreciate Lucas' search for no name actors (Ford wasn't quite so at the time) because its easier to identify the actor with the character.

Unfortunately, you get undeveloped actors. You need someone like Guiness to Pull that role.

McGregor did well, hes just no Guiness.

An excellent post on a similar topic by a member of TF.N:

"Regarding the point of the thread...the originals will always be remembered, especially A New Hope...it was the film that changed the movie industry after all.

As for the prequels, I think they'll be remembered as being part of Star Wars, but I don't think that this generation will look back on them the way people who were around in '77 look at the originals.

As for future generations...well only time will tell.

There is the general idea with ANH that it didn't just change movies...it changed the way movies are made. And I think on a technical side, the PT will be remembered the same way...remember, Jar Jar and Watto came before Gollum.

The PT has some cool action, it was a lot of fun and had a great story, just like the OT, however, in a world where blockbusters are a dime a dozen, people have tended to focus on negatives more than positives.

Remember when TPM came out and people complained about all the politics? the pay off for that came in ROTS with the declaration of the Empire, but it didn't matter. The fact that Lucas has managed to create a true trilogy (as opposed to the OT which was essentially ANH...and then the sequels) has gone unnoticed.

I like what Cryo posted: "And I see TPM in a new light today. It is the light of irony and allusion. I could elaborate, but people will only argue over particulars, even though these particulars may be enough to blow people's minds. It all rests in the dialogue. Yes: the dialogue, the very thing Lucas is supposed to suck at. For example, when the Queen (as Padme) says to Anakin, "We are sure her heart goes with you," this is now a clear allusion to ROTS where Padme dies and effectively gives her heart to Anakin. All manner of lines in TPM have fascinating depths like this. When Sio Bibble tells the Queen that Palpatine will need her help, he doesn't realise the full extent of his remark: that Palpatine will certainly need her, not simply to plead her case, but to get elected as Chancellor, and to help turn Anakin. Then there is a casual line by Yoda: "Young Skywalker's fate will be decided later." And indeed, it was decided later: in Palpatine's office when he became a Sith, and even later still above a sanctuary moon. The saga is profound in all sorts of ways. But this all needs time to sink in. One day, maybe it will. "

^^^Cryo mentioned the lines of dialogue in TPM that reflect on later events...the PT has so much depth to it, but people refuse to acknowledge it...either that or they just don't want to look.

ANH is my favourite movie...as far as I'm concerned it's the greatest movie ever made...and a lot of others feel the same way. Others like Empire more...generally speaking ROTJ tends to be overlooked...now I love ROTJ, I love all the films...and between 1977 and 1983, people experienced a phenomenon...they saw their dreams come to life. Things that seemed impossible were shown on the big screen.

When the prequels came around, people expected another OT...they expected a Han Solo character, they expected the "used future" look. Lucas delivered a story that said "this is how the galaxy becomes a used future, this is what happens that makes Solo-type characters appear later on". But it didn't matter. The idea of progression...evolution of the story and the state of the galaxy was ignored.

It seemed as if people wanted a clone of the OT. And I really think that's unfair.

Yes, there are flaws within the PT...but there are also flaws in the OT.

I think that, because there are so many blockbusters now, compared to '77 when there was none (Jaws had been a few years beforehand) the prequels won't be remembered individually the way the originals are.

However, in 30 years, I think people will look at the saga as a whole. I think it will be used in film schools to show the evolution of how films are made. Like The Wizard of Oz, the saga will be shown at Christmas every year...films for the whole family to sit around and enjoy.

As long as there is cinema, Star Wars will have a place, not just three films from the late 70's and early 80's, but as a saga, a story spanning 6 films and a couple of generations. "

I'll read it later 13

Originally posted by sithsaber408
There is the general idea with ANH that it didn't just change movies...it changed the way movies are made. And I think on a technical side, the PT will be remembered the same way...remember, Jar Jar and Watto came before Gollum.

But Gollum was soooo much better. This is where things are different in a way. In the 70s and 80s no one could do what ILM did. Now there are much smaller companies that do a better job than the great and powerful ILM. I think LOTR in these days changed more for movie history than the PT did: it showed an impossible book can succesfully be made into very good films. What did the PT show? That computer game graphics can make money as movies?

I am not reading all this.

Originally posted by sithsaber408

I like what Cryo posted: "And I see TPM in a new light today. It is the light of irony and allusion. I could elaborate, but people will only argue over particulars, even though these particulars may be enough to blow people's minds. It all rests in the dialogue. Yes: the dialogue, the very thing Lucas is supposed to suck at. For example, when the Queen (as Padme) says to Anakin, "We are sure her heart goes with you," this is now a clear allusion to ROTS where Padme dies and effectively gives her heart to Anakin. All manner of lines in TPM have fascinating depths like this. When Sio Bibble tells the Queen that Palpatine will need her help, he doesn't realise the full extent of his remark: that Palpatine will certainly need her, not simply to plead her case, but to get elected as Chancellor, and to help turn Anakin. Then there is a casual line by Yoda: "Young Skywalker's fate will be decided later." And indeed, it was decided later: in Palpatine's office when he became a Sith, and even later still above a sanctuary moon. The saga is profound in all sorts of ways. But this all needs time to sink in. One day, maybe it will. "

^^^Cryo mentioned the lines of dialogue in TPM that reflect on later events...the PT has so much depth to it, but people refuse to acknowledge it...either that or they just don't want to look.

i think some people are reading too much into casual lines
the only lines with relevance to future acts are "at last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi..at we shall have our revenge" and "as for you young Skywalker im sure well be watching your future with great interest" if i remember correctly
the others are just coincidence

as for WETA the cgi isnt always up to scratch there either in my opinion

It was better at least. And definately in characterisation, which basically really brings life to a character.