Originally posted by lord xyzI'm going to go ahead and disagree with JIA here because although Satan personifies evil it is indeed the evil that is hated, not the persona.
Okay, judging by what you said, and looking at these two quotes mainly, it is suggested that God hates the devil, but it we cannot be sure. However, seeing as God hates the devil, he is not all-loving. Do you agree with this?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, god hates the devil. God the father is a vengeful and hateful god. It is Jesus who is all loving. That is according to Christian mythology.
Don't state things you make up as fact. Because what you just posted, it's just a bunch of goobly-guck. Yuck.
Anyway, God the Father, and God the Son, being Jesus, and God the holy Spirit, are all loving, therefore God, being all three of the aforementioned, loves the Devil.
The End.
Originally posted by Naz
Don't state things you make up as fact. Because what you just posted, it's just a bunch of goobly-guck. Yuck.
Anyway, God the Father, and God the Son, being Jesus, and God the holy Spirit, are all loving, therefore God, being all three of the aforementioned, loves the Devil.The End.
The God of the Old Testament is very wrathful and hateful.
Way I look at it, Satan never really did anything at all bad in the bible except to refuse to submit to God.
But for you believers out there what is it exactly that Satan ever did that proves he's the evil one?
Satan refused to submit to God.
Satan tricked Adam and Eve into eating the fruit from the tree. Now what is interesting about that situation is that all knowing God knew that A&E basically were going to eat the fruit no matter what. So it was like a set up.
What I find interesting about the fruit eating episode is that Satan told Adam and Eve the truth.
Basically God said WHEN you eat the fruit you will DIE. This is what God said would happen.
What Satan said was:
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4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
So they ate it and what happened? Did they die? No they did not die. What happened was this:
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves
So here we see that Satan told the truth and God is the one who lied.
And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
Now prior to eating the fruit man was very good. It is only when he ate the fruit that he became like ONE OF US. In other words he became EVIL like God. Before eating the fruit he was not EVIL. When he ate he became like God and became evil. Hmmm.
Once again, this is derived from the English script not the original. Satan undoubtedly lied to them. Actually, an important lesson (if you believe, obviously) here is that the first sin came from the misconstrument of God's word. Also, Adam had not sinned because he had knowledge of good and evil, it is obviously (like absolutely blantant) that it was because of disobedience. Does God get mad because of knowledge? No, which is why he is mad at the serpent, who already knew. He was mad at the serpent for deceiving Eve. And that is why the Bible says that from the beginning Satan was a liar and is the father of lies.
Also, notice that God did not lie, he tells Adam that he will die because of this and return to the dust. Besides that, the Hebrew word beyom that is translated into English as "in the day" (not when), is never used as a literal day.
One weird thing about the gnostics is the belief that an evil deity created the world, not God, nor Jesus... I think it is one reason that they should be considered very seperate from Christianity. Some gnostic texts are interesting and pose a slight validity in attack on Christianity (ie. Gospel of Thomas and the The Apocalypse of Peter), but some are very sketchy (ie. Gospel of Judas).
To me that makes more sense.I think their actualy beliefs on Jesus is were the biggest seperation occurs.The Gnostics belived all material matter was evil,which gave Gnostics the claim that Jesus would not have actualy came to earth in 'the flesh',as orthodox/fundementalist belive.The second split on Christ teachings deals with his actual existance.A great deal of Gnostic schools claimed Jesus did not exist.They preached the crucifixtion was a symbolic event which we could all partake of.Of course their are alot of other differences,but I belive those are the two biggest and why the Gnostics were pretty much eradicated once Christian emperors came into power.
Gnostic text such as the Treatise On Resurrection give a great insight into gnostic views of the resurrection.Instead of listing a bunch I will just refer you to a great book: The Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagels.Chapter one deals with the Gnostic and orthodox view of the resurrection.
Your right.They were greek.I think mainly coming from Plotinius,but the Gnostics borrowed heavly from that teaching.At least some schools did.