Darth Maul vs. Agen Kolar

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Battle of the Iridonia Zabrak's! Most of you will probably say that Maul wins because of how badly Agen died in the movies, so for this thread please disregard how Agen died, since that fight scene makes Agen appear to be weaker than Coleman Trebor or ESB Luke.

Agen Kolar was one of three Jedi that Mace Windu brought with him to infiltrated the Crimson Nova bounty hunter's guild aboard the Rig, and brought an end to the recent slew of Jedi bounties. He was also trusted enough by Mace Windu to be brought to adduct Chancellor with him.

More impressively, however, this is how badly he beat Vos during the Clone Wars:

And look how badly he tools Aruk the Hutts goons, without even drawing his lightsaber!:

In addition to that, the ROTS novel says: «Given the strain on our current resources,» Mace Windu said, «I recommend we send only one Jedi-Master Kenobi.»
Which would leave Mace and Agen Kolar-both among the greatest bladesbeings the Jedi Order had ever produced-here on Coruscant in case Sidious did indeed take this opportunity to make a dramatic move. Not to mention Anakin, who was a brigade's worth of firepower in his own right.

How long has the Jedi Temple been on Courscant? In any case, this statement is very impressive.

Anyways, who wins? Is Maul strong enough to take out one of the gratest bladesbeings that the order ever produced on Courscant?

vader11 Senior Member

I think Maul would win after a close fight since Qui Gon is also one of the best saber fighter in the Jedi oreder at TPM.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Originally posted by vader11
I think Maul would win after a close fight since Qui Gon is also one of the best saber fighter in the Jedi oreder at TPM.

But Koon is one of the best that the order has ever produced on Courscant, and the temple has been there for about four thousand years. I'd put Kolar above Jinn as well, I doubt Jinn could beat Vos that easily, if he could beat him at all. Personally, I want to go with Maul, but I'm really not sure.

kiddo44 Senior Member

I would say Maul.

DS19, do you think there are any jedi in the movies, besides Anakin,Kenobi,Yoda,Mace that could take Maul in a duel?

vader11 Senior Member

I would just put Kolar = Jinn, even if Kolar is better, he won't be much better than Jin. I don't think Kolar is better than both Obi & Jin.

vader11 Senior Member

Originally posted by kiddo44
I would say Maul.
DS19, do you think there are any jedi in the movies, besides Anakin,Kenobi,Yoda,Mace that could take Maul in a duel?

Perhaps there are, but I am not sure. Oh, maybe Jedi Dooku, but he's not in the movie😛
btw, I am not DS19😆

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

I would say Maul.
DS19, do you think there are any jedi in the movies, besides Anakin,Kenobi,Yoda,Mace that could take Maul in a duel?

Yes, Cin Drallig, though that's debatable. I'm also not certain about Agen Kolar.

I would just put Kolar = Jinn, even if Kolar is better, he won't be much better than Jin. I don't think Kolar is better than both Obi & Jin.

Really? So you'd say that Jinn was among the greatest bladesbeings the Jedi Order had ever produced on Coruscant? I'd put him behind Mace, Yoda, Cin, Anoon Bondara, Agen Kolar, Plo Koon, Tyvoka, Quinlan Vos, Luminara Unduli, Ki-Adi Mundi, ROTS Obi-Wan, Anakin, Yoda, Depa Billaba, Sora Bulq and Volfe Karkko. Possibly Oppo Rancisis as well. That puts him at about #16. I'd only put the top 10 in the "amons the rgeatest bladesbeings...". And I personally don't even believe that Jinn could take out Vos, let alone as easily as Agen did. Plus he could whoop those thugs to quite the degree that Agen did.

btw, I am not DS19laughing

Yeah, uh, (s)he was talking to me...

Advent Just Leaving

Originally posted by darthsith19
So you'd say that Jinn was among the greatest bladesbeings the Jedi Order had ever produced on Coruscant?

Not to be a grammar Nazi, but I can't figure out for the life of me why you keep putting 'on Coruscant', did you notice the dash that comes immediately after "Kolar" and ends at "produced"? It's used to note an impetuous thought. So, please, stop adding unnecessary text.

Riverollv Mandalorian Pride

I go for Maul. Qui-Gon is also a blademaster in TPM, and he had Obi-Wan to aid him as well. Maul takes this after a long duel, but really not a VERY difficult fight for him.

vader11 Senior Member

I don't care whether Kolar or Jin is better, or how much you think Kolar is better, since he would still beat by Maul.

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Originally posted by Advent
Not to be a grammar Nazi, but I can't figure out for the life of me why you keep putting 'on Coruscant', did you notice the dash that comes immediately after "Kolar" and ends at "produced"? It's used to note an impetuous thought. So, please, stop adding unnecessary text.

Oh, thanks for pointing that out, so it means that Agen is one of the greatest bladesbeings the Jedi ever produced anywhere? Sorry I missed that, yeah, that puts him even higher.

I go for Maul. Qui-Gon is also a blademaster in TPM, and he had Obi-Wan to aid him as well. Maul takes this after a long duel, but really not a VERY difficult fight for him.

True that Jinn lost even with Kenobi on his side, but Kolar is one of the best bladesbeings ever produced by the Jedi, now that Advent has corrected my blundering mistake I'd also put Ulic, Kun and Traya above Jinn, I'm not sure how strong Revan and Malak were as Jedi so I can't say for them. I'd put Hoth above him, as well. Puts Jinn at about 20 as far as Jedi go. Really, Agen is not a LOT above Jinn, but he's a fair bit above him, I'm actually leaning towards Kolar (shows that favorites aren't always picked!). I can't see Maul beating Vos like Kolar did. He pretty much pwnd Vos, yeah that's stupid, it should have been a lot closer, but it wasn't. I'd say that Maul would have a fair bit of trouble taking out Vos. True, Vos wasn't trying to hurt Kolar is he didn't have to, but still, Kolar wasn't trying to hurt Vos, just capture him, so.

vader11 Senior Member

Ya, that fight seems stupid, that was like putting Kolar on par with Dooku, which itn't true. If Kolar can pwn Vos, they can made Maul pwn Vos too.

Riverollv Mandalorian Pride

Originally posted by darthsith19
True that Jinn lost even with Kenobi on his side, but Kolar is one of the best bladesbeings ever produced by the Jedi, now that Advent has corrected my blundering mistake I'd also put Ulic, Kun and Traya above Jinn, I'm not sure how strong Revan and Malak were as Jedi so I can't say for them. I'd put Hoth above him, as well. Puts Jinn at about 20 as far as Jedi go. Really, Agen is not a LOT above Jinn, but he's a fair bit above him, I'm actually leaning towards Kolar (shows that favorites aren't always picked!). I can't see Maul beating Vos like Kolar did. He pretty much pwnd Vos, yeah that's stupid, it should have been a lot closer, but it wasn't. I'd say that Maul would have a fair bit of trouble taking out Vos. True, Vos wasn't trying to hurt Kolar is he didn't have to, but still, Kolar wasn't trying to hurt Vos, just capture him, so.

True that we dont know much about Revan and Malak, but because of all of Revan's feats i'd say he beats Kolar. He's at least powerful enough to be the Dark Lord of the Sith and the most powerful Jedi in that time. I don't think Kolar would be much of a match for him, and neither would Maul. But, whatever, it is just my personal opinion. So, let's just say Revan is above, and take him and Ulic, and Traya, and Kun, and Hoth out of the debate, since it has nothing to do with the topic.

vader11 Senior Member

One single duel cannot proof how good Kolar is.

Riverollv Mandalorian Pride

I never mentioned a single duel.

vader11 Senior Member

Originally posted by Riverollv
I never mentioned a single duel.

Since I was not referring to you😛

darthsith19 Arm-Wrestler

Ya, that fight seems stupid, that was like putting Kolar on par with Dooku, which itn't true. If Kolar can pwn Vos, they can made Maul pwn Vos too.

Maybe EU Kolar is close to Dooku, and the films just screwed his character over. No, Maul can never pwn Vos. You know, disregarding the film, there's nothing to say that Kolar isn't on par with Dooku, so.

True that we dont know much about Revan and Malak, but because of all of Revan's feats i'd say he beats Kolar. He's at least powerful enough to be the Dark Lord of the Sith and the most powerful Jedi in that time. I don't think Kolar would be much of a match for him, and neither would Maul. But, whatever, it is just my personal opinion. So, let's just say Revan is above, and take him and Ulic, and Traya, and Kun, and Hoth out of the debate, since it has nothing to do with the topic.

I know, Revan > Kolar, I was just saying that I didn't know how good Revan was as a Jedi so I didn't know if Jinn's saber skills were behind Jedi Revan's or not. Those otehr Jedi mentioned do have to do with the debate, as they are all above Jinn in saber combat, and Jinn pertains to this fight as he fought Maul.

One single duel cannot proof how good Kolar is.

I never mentioned a single duel.

I think that he was talking to me (right?). Well, since besides the ROTS duel which I asked everyone to disregard, that's the only duel that Kolar is in so it has to be used as proof. The other things that Kolar does doesn't show him as weaker than that, or anything, plus that quote from the novel agrees with how good Kolar was in that saber duel. Hmm, Kolar might have been stronger than I realized. If only it wasn't for damn ROTS! 😠

LORDSIDIOUS01 The BatLord of the Jedi

Kolar does stand a chance

vader11 Senior Member

Ofcoz I don't think Maul can pwn Vos, but on the other hand, I still doubt if Kolar can pwn Vos. If he can, that means Koon, Fisto, or other Jedi can pwn Vos too(maybe). And Dooku is definitely better than Kolar.

vader11 Senior Member

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Kolar does stand a chance

I think so.

Agen Kolar vs. Darth Maul