Largest School Shooting in American History

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Not at all...It's a right guaranteed by the United States Government in the Bill of Rights. Just as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, etc. To take that away, to take away a right that can both cause harm and good, is unacceptable. Just because a few idiots here and there do this type of thing, killing innocent people, doesn't justify re-writing the Bill of Rights and amending the constitution.

Once more-

Your logic that states that a right to bear arms is equitable to those other rights you mention... that's the laughing stock bit, you see?

It's not a right you need, it's not a fundamental human right, and it is a contributor to an enormous gun death problem in the US which is completely and utterly out of proportion with all other western countires.

Pete's sake don't make me bring out my Cuban factor...please...

Exactly, oh and yes I would be fine with getting rid of religon too.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
But that is not what Freedom of Religion is in any way related to; that is asimply a clause that modern civilisation uses to ensure the days when people were killed and exiled simply because of their religion do not occur again, as they still do in many other countries.

A hazy right to own lethal weaponry is very much NOT considered such a staple of modern civilisation.

The two cannot be reasonably compared.

The vast majority of people that own guns do not use them to kill people; that is a fact.

Statically, America has a low unlawful death count compared to just how many guns Americans own. If it were 'out of control' we'd have anarchy.

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
Get out.

And also, you don't know what he had.. They haven't released it.

What you just said is a bit out of line.

in all of the news coverage ive seen, they have said that he had only two 9's and mucho clips.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Trying to bring equity between Freedom of Religion and a right to bear arms is the kind of thinking that tends to make the US a lauhging stock in many parts of the world.

i agree it is silly to try to give them even close to the same weight, but its widely yet silently understood that the majority of redneck midwesterners just feel much safer having guns, in case the terrorists and/or democrats invade and try to take their jobs and make off with the womenfolk.

Originally posted by Ushgarak

It's also the kind of thinking that makes this kind of thing sadly not as rare as it should be in the US.

that however i feel is completely baseless. citizens baring arms do not necessarily lead to a crime like this. this guy could have run them over with a vehicle, made bombs, set fires, etc. would the death toll be less? probably. still its not relevant in preventing such weird and localised mass-killings.

Originally posted by Robtard
The vast majority of people that own guns do not use them to kill people; that is a fact.

Statically, America has a low unlawful death count compared to just how many guns Americans own. If it were 'out of control' we'd have anarchy.

Yes but the europe example still stands.

Originally posted by Schecter
why do you just assume he was some mega-lee harvy oswald marksman? he might have shot them point blank. 😖

so did the columbine kids, and they had weapons with a higher level of accuracy.

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Look, I understand how much you value human life, and so do I, more than anything else, I might add. But tell me, how am I vengeful If I want an incorrigible, GUILTY murder to get what is still a lawful act of punishment (in certain states and countries, that is). I'm not a capitalist scumbag, I just think that criminals of the aforementioned kind deserve to die.

I'm glad you value human life.
Murderers may well deserve to die, but at the hands of the government? should they be able to deal out death? Or is that not the thing the murderer is being punished for?
I am aware it is legal in some countries and states, but lets face these are few and far between.
Yes the murderer maybe guilty, but, wouldn't the government, and their supporters also be guilty of murder, if, execution of murderers was allowed?

Originally posted by Robtard
The vast majority of people that own guns do not use them to kill people; that is a fact.

Statically, America has a low unlawful death count compared to just how many guns Americans own. If it were 'out of control' we'd have anarchy as MANY America's are armed.

That's a false comparison. because in other countries it is far more difficult to legally own guns.

It's also massively sidestepping such an enormous problem. The US gun death rate is one thing only- shaming.

And only the US feels the need to make such a thing- which, as I say, is in NO way a fundamental right- something to be written into a damn Constitution, and so leave us in the ludicrous position where it does indeed sit next to such basic staples of human existence such as freedom of speech.

It's been a contemptible situation for a long time and will continue to be so. Fact is, this kind of thing is happening repeatedly in the US and the gun deaths out in the citiers every night mount up and up and up and it is very simply not happening anywhere else.

Be damned to your phony right. People are dying and the credibility of the US drops each and every time this happens.

Originally posted by Eclipso
Yes but the europe example still stands.

Which is? Because people in "Europe" are still wrongfully killed by people with guns.

Originally posted by Robtard
Which is? Because people in "Europe" are still wrongfully killed by people with guns.

You really do NOT want to make that comparison because you can only be embarrassed at just how much rarer that is.

Originally posted by Alliance
People have always percieved society as "going downhill." People with an objective view of the situation can actually see that thast not necessarily the case.

Listen you have a serious problem if you think that over the course of a hundred years alone, society has taken a serious dive. These things were never issues our parents or grandparents faced. For you to try and act all cool and logical about it, is precisely the kind of thinking that will bring us down quicker. The Romans never knew or saw what hit them, because either they were too self indulged in their debaucheries or their theologians, politicians and " so-called heavy thinkers" always tried to rationalize their surroundings. This country is going down the effing drain. Period

Originally posted by Ushgarak
You really do NOT want to make that comparison because you can only be embarrassed at just how much rarer that is.

I didn't mention rarity, I said people in Europe still die from guns, and considering how few guns Europeans have, that is laughable.

If someone is crazy [like the guy in this story] and they want to kill people, they'll find a way, gun or no guns. Besides, it's usually the criminals with illegally owned guns that kill people and having stricter gun laws doesn't take the guns out of the criminals hands.

Edit.. Out of curioisity, how many people in the U.K. are killed by guns compared to how many guns are owned by citizens as how many people in the U.S are killed by guns compared to how many citizens own guns?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Once more-

Your logic that states that a right to bear arms is equitable to those other rights you mention... that's the laughing stock bit, you see?

It's not a right you need, it's not a fundamental human right, and it is a contributor to an enormous gun death problem in the US which is completely and utterly out of proportion with all other western countires.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
It's equitable in the way that it's a right already guaranteed, you see?
[B] Agreed...which I've already covered, by saying "it does both harm and good". There's a difference between bearing machine guns, and having hand guns. Do I think people should have M-15's out on the street? No, of course not, and I think any reasonably sane person would agree with that. But hand guns are sometimes needed for protection in some places in the US. And to deny those people that right by amending the Constitution is unacceptable in my opinion. Criminals, gang bangers, etc. will always find a way to get a gun even if they are illegal, but the good people who might need protection that one time could die if we take away that right.

Sorry but people in Eurpoe protect themselves just fine without Guns. And as it has been pointed out in Europe they seem to have a tougher time getting the guns.

Why is this tragedy turning into a US vs Europe competition?

Actualy it more of a Gun control debate using those 2 respective countries as models.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Why is this tragedy turning into a US vs Europe competition?

Discussion drift.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Why is this tragedy turning into a US vs Europe competition?

Ask the 'The U.S. is a piece of shit because it has looser gun laws crowd'...