Largest School Shooting in American History

Originally posted by Eclipso
Sorry but people in Eurpoe protect themselves just fine without Guns. And as it has been pointed out in Europe they seem to have a tougher time getting the guns.

Edit: WD is right...this isn't the time or place to discuss this, so you can respond if you want, but I'm done. What happened to VT is a terrible, terrible occurance that should have never happened.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ask the 'The U.S. is a piece of shit because it has looser gun laws crowd'...

As I said...I don't want to bring out my Cuban factor into this....it's out of topic but relevant to guns.

Then again, I don't want to drift out since this is a tragic event discussion.

Originally posted by Robtard

Edit.. Out of curioisity, how many people in the U.K. are killed by guns compared to how many guns are owned by citizens as how many people in the U.S are killed by guns compared to how many citizens own guns?

Recently it's risen by about three fold in crimes committed to about 900. In the U.S it's 30,000 these are yearly.

people are too emotional over this. ush brought up a good point but made a poor assumption imho

the point is that gun related crimes are more frequent in the u.s. because we allow the populus firearms. that part is true. right or wrong its still true. end of that part.

the flawed connection here, is that this is somehow directly proportionate to random killings, rather than an infinite list of other social/psychological/economical etc factors as well as the ability to more easily aquire a firearm (which more effects the death toll, but imho has little influence of whether or not they decide to kill).

:edit: sorry, had to edit and clarify better

Originally posted by Schecter
people are too emotional over this. allow me to explain

it seems the assumption is that gun related crimes are more frequent in the u.s. because we allow the populus firearms. the flawed connection here, is that this is somehow directly proportionate to random killings, rather than an infinite list of other social/psychological/economical etc factors as well as the ability to more easily aquire a firearm.

I don't think that can explain away the nineteen separate school shootings over the space of a year to be honest. Guns being readily available is of course going to be a major factor, that is undeniable and anyone arguing that this is not a factor, and that this murderer would have done it some other way are in denial. What would he have done exactly, stabbed 32 people?
This phenomenon is hardly ever seen in any other country, even in countries as big as the U.S and this cannot be explained away.
Constitution or no, it seems blatantly obvious somethings gone wrong somewhere.

i editededed 😮

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
And your point? Look at prohibition...If you take away something in the US to solve a problem, that problem stays and GROWS. Making guns illegal in the US is unenforcable and will, in fact, make the gun to people ratio grow.

Edit: WD is right...this isn't the time or place to discuss this, so you can respond if you want, but I'm done. What happened to VT is a terrible, terrible occurance that should have never happened.

Yes and only by talking about the issue and getting it out in the open can we hope to prevent further tragedies.

And no one is saying the US is crap, but you guys do have an unhealthy obessesion with Guns, Canada isn't much better I'm ashamed to admit.

Originally posted by Schecter
i editededed 😮

Yeah, sorry about that mate, I didn't see till after I'd posted.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
I don't think that can explain away the nineteen separate school shootings over the space of a year to be honest. Guns being readily available is of course going to be a major factor, that is undeniable and anyone arguing that this is not a factor, and that this murderer would have done it some other way are in denial. What would he have done exactly, stabbed 32 people?
This phenomenon is hardly ever seen in any other country, even in countries as big as the U.S and this cannot be explained away.
Constitution or no, it seems blatantly obvious somethings gone wrong somewhere.

you are correct in blaming the excessive deathtoll on lax firearms laws. you are incorrect however imho in assuming that such disturbed people would just decide not to find a way commit murder on as much a scale as possible.

:edit: im talking about frequency of ramdom murders vs. frequency of gun related crimes and death.

*edit* ok now i saw your edit 😮 ill just back away from the keyboard for a sec 😮

Originally posted by Eclipso
And no one is saying the US is crap, but you guys do have an unhealthy obessesion with Guns, Canada isn't much better I'm ashamed to admit.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
And your point? Look at prohibition...If you take away something in the US to solve a problem, that problem stays and GROWS. Making guns illegal in the US is unenforcable and will, in fact, make the gun to people ratio grow.

Sorry, but gun control doesnt equal abolishment.

And abolishment is what we need, also to outlaw the mnaufacturing of guns as well.

Okay, at this time it is been reported that the gunman shot himself. He committed suicide.

As of now, CNN is reporting TWO shootings and the first shooting happen in the dorm rooms. Two people were killed. The second shootings took place in the Norris Hall. Reports will continue to come so this could be changed as reports get more organized.

Originally posted by Alliance
Sorry, but gun control doesnt equal abolishment.

yeah, this ****er had a plan all mapped out. proof to me we can all shut up about gun laws

Originally posted by Schecter
you are correct in blaming the excessive deathtoll on lax firearms laws. you are incorrect however imho in assuming that such disturbed people would just decide not to find a way commit murder on as much a scale as possible.

:edit: im talking about frequency of ramdom murders vs. frequency of gun related crimes and death.

*edit* ok now i saw your edit 😮 ill just back away from the keyboard for a sec 😮

I do agree, but I think that it's playing into these people's hands to have lax firearms laws. It means they have to go to very little effort to cause an almighty amount of destruction. Whereas, there's massive chances of their own concocted plans going **** up and not working.

All the planning in the world wouldn't have mattered if he didnt have the gun in the first place.

I think this qoute from 'The West Wing' is appropriate:

"All I know for sure, all I know for certain, is that they weren't born wanting to do this. There's evil in the world, there'll always be, and we can't do anything about that. But there's violence in our schools, too much mayhem in our culture, and we can do something about that. There's not enough character, discipline, and depth in our classrooms; there aren't enough teachers in our classrooms. There isn't nearly enough, not nearly enough, not nearly enough money in our classrooms, and we can do something about that. We're not doing nearly enough, not nearly enough to teach our children well, and we can do better, and we must do better, and we will do better, and we will start this moment today! They weren't born wanting to do this."

This is such a scary situation, because its real. This can happen anywhere these days. College, High School, hell I wouldn't be surprised to hear if its happened at a Middle School. Its really a tragedy, and I send my condolences to all the victims, and their families. 🙁

Originally posted by Eclipso
All the planning in the world wouldn't have mattered if he didnt have the gun in the first place.

he could have done many things and people of this kind are meticulous and would find a way. he could have bombed and/or incinerated the dorms. he could have went on a rampage with a katana ffs. since a gun is easiest and most effective he chose a gun. thats what im saying.

deathtoll=relevant to gun laws

crimerate of this speciazlised nature: serial/random killers = irrelevant to gun laws