Originally posted by Martian_mind
It's like in the olden days when you were cut and they held a Torch to the wound so it scabbed and stopped bleeding.It's painful.Howver remember Eternity was allowing him to do that.
as phoenix could
take that torch and runn 5 times the fuel through it in the same amount of time and the wounded would die.
if something hurts enuff it can kill. now we multiply the phoenix's power(wcp) and its very well possible that eternity could be killed.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
It's like in the olden days when you were cut and they held a Torch to the wound so it scabbed and stopped bleeding.It's painful.Howver remember Eternity was allowing him to do that.
No in the olden days eternity would be dead,how do you compare a cancer(tumor) of cosmic porportions that would have killed eternity to a cut that is healed by fire? so fire can hurt eternity?
So does eternity have an invulnerability to the phoenix force and let it down(shut it off) so the phoenix could do its work?
Dont you think in a versus match we know eternity will be fighting back
LT considered Phoenix a multiversle threat,that alone is reason enough to make this thread valid
Everyone asked what feats Phoenix would do,well what feats would eternity do?
WCP 8/10- i think eternity might win a couple thru destroying the avatar(like a K.O) and or confusing it, but will never totaly destroy the Phoenix force
Originally posted by XplosiveThat meant she could ONLY do it in the white room, again no where does it state she could have crushed it in her palm, nor do it outside the roomShe can do that. So what if it was in Hot Room?
I might as well say dr doom > phoenix avatar because he wtf pwned galactus after draining him and his ship and he beat galactus faster than phoenix did. Wrong
Originally posted by starlockThe phoenix itself is immortal thus cnnot die, When i try to say someone beating white phoenix, i meant the actual body of the person(jean grey) NOT the force.
No in the olden days eternity would be dead,how do you compare a cancer(tumor) of cosmic porportions that would have killed eternity to a cut that is healed by fire? so fire can hurt eternity?So does eternity have an invulnerability to the phoenix force and let it down(shut it off) so the phoenix could do its work?
Dont you think in a versus match we know eternity will be fighting backLT considered Phoenix a multiversle threat,that alone is reason enough to make this thread valid
Everyone asked what feats Phoenix would do,well what feats would eternity do?
WCP 8/10- i think eternity might win a couple thru destroying the avatar(like a K.O) and or confusing it, but will never totaly destroy the Phoenix force
Get my point?
Originally posted by Kadesh
That meant she could ONLY do it in the white room, again no where does it state she could have crushed it in her palm, nor do it outside the roomI might as well say dr doom > phoenix avatar because he wtf pwned galactus after draining him and his ship and he beat galactus faster than phoenix did. Wrong
The phoenix itself is immortal thus cnnot die, When i try to say someone beating white phoenix, i meant the actual body of the person(jean grey) NOT the force.
Get my point?
Kadesh i am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt,but seriuosly using your own words
where was it stated she had to do it in the hot room.where did it state she could not crush it,where does it state she cannot beat TOAA,where does it state Phoenix is not the most powerfull force ever in all of comicdom, where do you see it stated that phoenix is not as powerfull as the HOTU,you see where it leads,
why do we have to try and prove a negative?
this is why you are getting so much flak about this
where are your eternity feats to back your claim?what claim do you make?
Your post about fanboys put you in a light that you are a phoenix hater,and with your debating style it is not helping
i might have beef with certain members,but i am trying to be fair
i appreciate you not insulting and i think you are being sincere
Originally posted by starlockOk i will admit i made this assumption, question have we seen her do it else where? I doubt so that is why i assumed it only took place in the white hot roomwhere was it stated she had to do it in the hot room.
Originally posted by starlockWhere was it stated that she could? There is an absence of proof on this part and thus we cannot assume that she could have,
where did it state she could not crush it
Originally posted by starlockWhere was it stated she could? The Name TOAA speaks for itself, hes an omnipotent being, even official sources stated he surpasses the PF in every aspect and is well beyond frankilin richards
,where does it state she cannot beat TOAA,
Originally posted by starlockBecause TOAA is above it, If you mean the strongest force in the universe excluding TOAA, i would certeinly agree
where does it state Phoenix is not the most powerfull force ever in all of comicdom
Originally posted by starlockWhat is HOTU?
where do you see it stated that phoenix is not as powerfull as the HOTU,you see where it leads,
Originally posted by starlockBecause people like GS make baseless unsupported claims that any form of phoenix can "wtf pen" TOAA
why do we have to try and prove a negative?
this is why you are getting so much flak about this
Originally posted by starlockI havnt made any yet, again i ask what feats do the wcp has? i been asking this 10 billion times and still no answer, No cogent proper answers
where are your eternity feats to back your claim?what claim do you make?
Originally posted by starlock1) i am not a phoenix hater, 2) i like rachael summers and the PF itself as i told you in the PM about rachel, 3) I did not debate nor build a case for eternity
Your post about fanboys put you in a light that you are a phoenix hater,and with your debating style it is not helping
Originally posted by starlockWell thank you
i might have beef with certain members,but i am trying to be fair
i appreciate you not insulting and i think you are being sincere
Ok but i am saying that i dont debate that way,it does not prove anything just furthers arguments
Xjusticex made a valid point,and fixing a universe atom by atom is another,LT saying phoenix is a multiversle threat is another
There are alot of abstacts that have hardly any feats,but we give them consideration,and a fair chance at maintaining a versus debate
Remember i am hoping at least you see it will be a fight not a curbstop,or else this is a spite thread,i can respect that you think eternity will win,but let everybody have there say in the matter
Also i am at work and sometimes all i can say is WCP for the win,it happens hehe-
Not everybody has a scanner,not everybody is an adult,not everybody has alot of knowledge they go by instinct and learn as we debate
lets have fun and gain knowledge from eachother
Dont let one persons view ruin a character for you,if that was the case i might actually hate superman,but i dont i have an open mind and take what i think fits and go from there
Originally posted by Kadesh
Ok i will admit i made this assumption, question have we seen her do it else where? I doubt so that is why i assumed it only took place in the white hot room
Where was it stated that she could? There is an absence of proof on this part and thus we cannot assume that she could have,
Where was it stated she could? The Name TOAA speaks for itself, hes an omnipotent being, even official sources stated he surpasses the PF in every aspect and is well beyond frankilin richards
Because TOAA is above it, If you mean the strongest force in the universe excluding TOAA, i would certeinly agree
What is HOTU?
Because people like GS make baseless unsupported claims that any form of phoenix can "wtf pen" TOAA
I havnt made any yet, again i ask what feats do the wcp has? i been asking this 10 billion times and still no answer, No cogent proper answers
1) i am not a phoenix hater, 2) i like rachael summers and the PF itself as i told you in the PM about rachel, 3) I did not debate nor build a case for eternity
lastly I did not debate in these forums yet
Well thank you
EDIT
Lastly phoenix itself is neither male nor female so from now on ill refer to PF as "IT"
i posted a feat with scans.
guess its not up to your standerds as you did not even adress it.
you have not made any claims yet and we are in the 5th page of this thredd!! when do you plan on starting to debate? tell us what page so we can come back when the thredd gets that long so we all stop wasting our time.
you dont hate the phoenix just the white crown phoenix.
now
1) i think the wcp will win becaus the phoenix force has been makred out as the big bang many many times.
2) becaus she held the universe in her hand and had controle of all its atoms.
she would not even have to use physical force to destroy it . she could do it with a thaught possibley even with out one just lose concentration and it could happen.
3) i think wcp will win becaus in a "what if" the dark phoenix has destroyed a universe.
4) i think the wcp can win becaus she can suck all the future life force from the universe as well as the curent living beings.
leaving eternity with less to fight with.
5) becaus girard possibley the lowest of the phoeinx avatars has hurt eternity on panel. and in doing so acomplished a task no one els could not even the all powerfull eternity him self.
about your edit does that meen we are not dealing with the white crown now? are you saying its the force it self vs eternity?
becaus the white crown is a female.
Originally posted by xjustice69x
when do you plan on starting to debate? tell us what page so we can come back when the thredd gets that long so we all stop wasting our time.
I'll handle it. 馃檪
Originally posted by xjustice69x
1) i think the wcp will win becaus the phoenix force has been makred out as the big bang many many times.
"Big Bang?"
Yet Phoenix has NEVER Created a Universe,
On Panel or Off.
Originally posted by xjustice69x
2) becaus she held the universe in her hand and had controle of all its atoms.
No she did not.
"In One Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future of Reality - 15104"
(excerpt from the OHOTMU 2006 - Mkraan Crystal bio)
"In ONE Future" (there are many Possible Futures)
On Panel verification:
"Some KIND of Bacteria Colony gone rogue ... I had to Amputate the whole Future"
Jean is told, "Phoenix DISINFECTION Successful"
Phoenix asks, "Is this the Future?"
It tells her, "You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it" --- (the FUTURE)
Did she not just ask, "is this the Future?"
And was she not just responded to with,
"You lost concentration, Shock almost killed it?"
This is actually the process taking place of a FUTURE Timeline being Repaired,
IN the White Hot Room/ Mkraan Crystal.
The "the Claw" takes the Future into the "HOSPITAL, White Hot Room"
As You Can SEE, around the Pink Crystal Power is Flowing,
that's Phoenix REPAIRING the FUTURE!
"Now heal wound MAKE Better FUTURE QUICKLY"
Next Panel:
We see Jean walking towards the Phoenix Corps, AFTER Repairing the Future,
Atom by Atom
"Telekinetic control of all those Atoms at once isn't as easy as it sounds in training,
NOT even for a White Phoenix of the Crown..."
Originally posted by xjustice69x
she would not even have to use physical force to destroy it . she could do it with a thaught possibley even with out one just lose concentration and it could happen.
The only thing Jean was ever in danger of destroying,
was an Alternate Future Timeline.
Jean NEVER endangered Eternity or Reality 616, only a POSSIBLE Future of 616,
out of countless possible Futures.
"In One Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future of Reality - 15104"
Originally posted by xjustice69x
3) i think wcp will win becaus in a "what if" the dark phoenix has destroyed a universe.
In a What If exactly.
Unfortunately she's NEVER destroyed a Universe in a more valid title.
Jean has NEVER Created a single Universe,
Jean has NEVER Remade a single Universe.
Jean has Never Destroyed the 616 Universe.
The ACTUAL Phoenix Force consumed a Divergent Reality in a What If,
but Jean was Destroyed aswell.
Originally posted by xjustice69x
4) i think the wcp can win becaus she can suck all the future life force from the universe as well as the curent living beings.
leaving eternity with less to fight with.
馃槅
It doesn't quite work that way friend.
Originally posted by xjustice69x
5)1. because girard possibley the lowest of the phoeinx avatars has hurt eternity on panel.
2. and in doing so acomplished a task no one els could
not even the all powerfull eternity him self.
1. Giraud has NEVER and could NEVER "Hurt" Eternity in a confrontation.
2. "Accomplished a task no one else could?"
Actually it's no one else's job to Heal Universes in such a manner.
That's the purpose of the Phoenix Avatars, to burn away Universal Infections.
Giraud NEVER Healed Eternity anyway, all he did was CAUTERIZE the Wound,
Eternity Healed on his own:
"How HEALS your INJURY?"
"Your concern does me honor Tribunal, the WOUND is closing slowly"
"Incredible, REALITY literally REGENERATING ITSELF, Pure Creation"
Originally posted by Kadesh
Ok i will admit i made this assumption,question have we seen her do it else where?
I doubt so that is why i assumed it only took place in the white hot room
You're not assuming friend,
you're quite Right.
Phoenix was only able to affect that Alternate Reality because of the WHR:
(excerpt from the Official Handbook - 2005)
"Shifting herself into the Phoenix Force's Home Dimension,
Jean WAS ABLE to Heal the Wounded Orphan Universe"
That settles that. 馃檪
Jean made Scott Change his mind
so that the Future (Here Comes Tomorrow)
never took place,
that's how Jean Healed the Universe according to the Official Bio,
and Grant Morrison (the WRITER) right here :
(excerpt from the Questionnaires addressed to the Writers --- New X-Men #155)
On Panel verification:
This is what lead 616 to Diverge into this Alternate Reality 15104
New X-Men #151 ... 150 Years Earlier on Earth 616
Scott decides to quit.
New X-Men #154
Phoenix intervenes by reaching into this moment 150 Years ago on 616,
and changes Scott's mind about Emma and the Institute:
Scott decides to stay:
In order to ensure that 616 would not Diverge,
into the "Here Comes Tomorrow" Future of Reality 15104
Thats just fine and dandy Mr Master,thank the lord you can only have one account ,so we can have our own opinon of events
Thankfully minds have been open and we can see your view for what it is
The feat is Phoenix saved eternity
The Feat is Phoenix of the white crown manipulated the future atom by atom
The feat is in a alternate timeline(a what if) Phoenix destroyed a universe
Phoenix is called a multiversle threat by LT
Uatu has some imprssive words also
and the list goes on
You phoenix hatred does not stop me from giving WCP the win,just like your pathetic attempt to ruin Galactic Storms Respect thread on the phoenix did not stop me from seeing Phoenix for what she is
Originally posted by Kadesh
You can dismiss that? Excuse me "supreme" being but was there a reason for wiki to lie on that part? By what you just said, i doubt you even read all the comics,You dont know what inconsistencies are? One says galactus is the strongest in the universe, another says its phoenix, another says its LT who got beat by thanos,
Firstly, thats a pathetic attempt to make a claim, about something i never said, since when did i say MR m said that LT is third? Right NEVER, all you further did was to further prove yourself to be an incompetant fool. And please i advice you to stay civil rather than dub me MR M's "Dog" because firstly im not an idiot like you, secondly I did not insult you, thirdly if i were to flame you, its going to be so severe that moderators are going to ban me despite giving several warningsFirstly i made a baseless claim and yes i was wrong so i c-o-n-c-e-d-e-d, would you please take that cock out of your mouth and start reading more carefully? What ever i made about the claim, i concede
Lastly i wasnt even argueing nor debating, why? Because no case was built up, and "supreme" being, You call this "debating". tsk tsk, you really are incompetant
Again i ask mr imcompetant fool, name a feat where WCP could do to finish eternity, i asked this several times which you have yet to answer only further giving me the idea that you are handicapped
Among all this gibberish spout you just spewed i managed to notice you telling me to keep things civil and then taking cheap shots 馃檮 truly idiotic. And your continually contradicting yourself you talk about inconsistencies and yet before you had cause to bring up inconsistencies as an argument you were saying tribunal stated eternity as the third power in the universe a statement you have backtracked from. Also as much as you talk about debating skills the only comic knowledge you have displayed is Mr master posted this or Mr master stated this. Your practically living of his scans and arguments and have none of your own.
And i have stated as well as many other posters WCP held eternity in her hands and as i have also stated she might be able to crush it she might not be able to. The fact remains that she held it within her hands and that leaves me with a conclusion that she is far greater than it speculation on my part yes based on an actual feat by WCP.
Originally posted by Kadesh
Lastly i wasnt even argueing nor debating, why? Because no case was built up, and "supreme" being, You call this "debating". tsk tsk, you really are incompetant
馃槅 馃槅 My gosh for someone who tries to potray themselves as an intellectual individual you really know how to make an ASS of yourself dont you Dog. I believe you meant to call me Incompetent yet managed to fub that up to. 馃槅
