Fred Phelps To Protest At Virginia Tech Funeral....

Originally posted by Schecter
amazing how you can type that and still not pretend to see the point of the importance of constitutional freedom as its written, untampered. unaltered.

do you consciously lie to yourself to win threads? i ask this because if not you'd realise that you just justified our opinions to a tee. perhaps you didnt realise that and were too focused on delivering your trite and counterproductive "my country is better than yours" statement.

We do have freedom in Canada with the understanding that there has to be some limitations in order to protect society. As I said we have managed to do it without the Government getting out of control. And if a person feels that a limitation is unfair they can go to the supreme court if need be. We just recognize that things like hate speech can only harm society.

And what I said is true. American's under Bush have lost allot more of their freedom.

And in 1.5 or so years, the next president will restore those freedoms. That's what we call changing government. 😉

Originally posted by Starhawk
We do have freedom in Canada with the understanding that there has to be some limitations in order to protect society. As I said we have managed to do it without the Government getting out of control. And if a person feels that a limitation is unfair they can go to the supreme court if need be. We just recognize that things like hate speech can only harm society.

And what I said is true. American's under Bush have lost allot more of their freedom.

thats great. you didnt read a damn word i said did you? i also suspect you know nothing about the u.s. constitution or you would know that it too has limitations and may be altered/overridden via the democratic process, as was the case in the stripping of our rights.

your argument has not ONE solid point. you just keep mixing/altering/recombining seperate points and issues into a giant and organically changing mess. its exhausting to follow.

Originally posted by Schecter
thats great. you didnt read a damn word i said did you? i also suspect you know nothing about the u.s. constitution or you would know that it too has limitations and may be altered/overridden via the democratic process, as was the case in the stripping of our rights.

your argument has not ONE solid point. you just keep mixing/altering/recombining seperate points and issues into a giant and organically changing mess. its exhausting to follow.

Yes my argument does have a point. That freedoms can be limited without creating a tyranny. Canada being a prime example of this.

Ah, but I have a better idea. How about we just ignore people we don't like, or who say things we don't like. That way we can all have our constitutional freedoms.

Problem solved.

Because sometimes those freedoms can cause harm to society. Such as hate speech which might incite violence. My point is Canada's limitations on freedoms have done nothing but good.

and this proves what? that canada is better? wtf is your point? WHAT?

Originally posted by Starhawk
Because sometimes those freedoms can cause harm to society. Such as hate speech which might incite violence. My point is Canada's limitations on freedoms have done nothing but good.

Just wait. 😂

Originally posted by Starhawk
Because sometimes those freedoms can cause harm to society. Such as hate speech which might incite violence. My point is Canada's limitations on freedoms have done nothing but good.

so i guess his point is as follows:

omg freedom has 2 b limited unless your american becuz they dont know how 2 limit freedom right so bush is teh emporer. but in canadadada we got it right cuz we just know which freedoms to take what which not...without any explanation of reason why.....its in our d.n.a. LOLZ

Originally posted by Schecter
and this proves what? that canada is better? wtf is your point? WHAT?

I believe I have stated my point more then once now. And just because one country allows it to cause tyranny does not mean every country will. We have had this provision for quite a long time now and not even a hint of trouble with it.

ROFLZLOLLERCAKES

Originally posted by Starhawk
I believe I have stated my point more then once now. And just because one country allows it to cause tyranny does not mean every country will. We have had this provision for quite a long time now and not even a hint of trouble with it.

Originally posted by Strangelove
And our not limiting of freedoms hasn't caused all that much bad. Your point?

Yes it has, look at the history of hate motivated crime America has. Your almost non-existent gun control laws. cause obvious problems. You allow your protests to get out of hand by not limiting them.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Okay, so limiting some freedoms does not cause tyranny. You know what else doesn't cause tyranny? Not limiting freedoms at all. So there we go. Neither America nor Canada is tyrannical. So glad we cleared that up.

Not limiting them can lead to trouble as described above.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Yes it has, look at the history of hate motivated crime America has. Your almost non-existent gun control laws. cause obvious problems. You allow your protests to get out of hand by not limiting them.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Not limiting them can lead to trouble as described above.

The First Amendment guarantees the following:

Freedom of speech: unless you're knowingly lying, inciting to riot, etc.
Freedom to assemble: peaceably

and other such clauses

You see? We do have limitations to our freedoms. But limiting our ability to express opinions that some or even most people may have a problem with is completely and totally authoritarian and idiotic. Bottom line.

Originally posted by Strangelove
You obviously don't understand.

The First Amendment guarantees the following:

Freedom of speech: unless you're knowingly lying, inciting to riot, etc.
Freedom to assemble: peaceably

and other such clauses

You see? We do have limitations to our freedoms. But limiting our ability to express opinions that some or even most people may have a problem with is completely and totally authoritarian and idiotic. Bottom line.

In Canada we don't limit it because we don't like it. We limit it if it will infringe on someone else's freedoms or cause a certian degree of harm to society.

Originally posted by Starhawk
In Canada we don't limit it because we don't like it. We limit it if it will infringe on someone else's freedoms or cause a certian degree of harm to society.

:edit: nevermind

Originally posted by Strangelove
And how does expressing a controversial opinion infringe on someone else's freedoms? And how does expressing a controversial opinion cause harm to society?

Hate speech can incite violence towards a particular group. If a protest is allowed to get out of hand people can be injured. If we blindly allowed people to have guns for any reason other then hunting, we would most likely have more gun violence. It's even in our laws, you have the right to commit certain crimes in order to prevent greater crimes from happening.

Example:

You can steal a car if it is the only way to get a person medical care to save a life.