Fred Phelps To Protest At Virginia Tech Funeral....

Originally posted by Starhawk
Hate speech can incite violence towards a particular group. If a protest is allowed to get out of hand people can be injured. If we blindly allowed people to have guns for any reason other then hunting, we would most likely have more gun violence. It's even in our laws, you have the right to commit certain crimes in order to prevent greater crimes from happening.

Example:

You can steal a car if it is the only way to get a person medical care to save a life.

And like I said but you apparently ignored, we do have safeguards in place for hate speech. Speech that encourages people to commit crimes is not protected by the Constitution. Speech that incites violence or riots is not protected. And protests do get out of hand sometimes, and that's why we have police.

Are you listening to a word I've said?

Originally posted by Strangelove
Why do you keep bringing up guns? This has nothing to do with what we're talking about. The subject at hand is the Westboro Baptist Church pretesting at funerals. Are they bringing guns? Are people shooting at them? As far as I know, no. So STFU about the guns. We're talking about first Amendment rights.

And like I said but you apparently ignored, we do have safeguards in place for hate speech. Speech that encourages people to commit crimes is not protected by the Constitution. Speech that incites violence or riots is not protected. And protests do get out of hand sometimes, and that's why we have police.

Are you listening to a word I've said?

Guns are an amendment issue and I was using it as an example of why a freedom needs to be limited that you asked me to show. So if you admit that America itself limits freedoms, why do you have a problem with the way we do it?

And if the protests are more regulated, then it helps prevent riots and causes less work for the police.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Guns are an amendment issue and I was using it as an example of why a freedom needs to be limited that you asked me to show. So if you admit that America itself limits freedoms, why do you have a problem with the way we do it?

And if the protests are more regulated, then it helps prevent riots and causes less work for the police.

so its impossible to get you to focus on a single point?

Originally posted by Schecter
so its impossible to get you to focus on a single point?

I don't think your getting the point, despite my explaining it multiple times.

One day someone is going to murder Phelps and his followers....

It will be a good day.

And then people will protest their funerals.....

And it will be a good day.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Guns are an amendment issue and I was using it as an example of why a freedom needs to be limited that you asked me to show. So if you admit that America itself limits freedoms, why do you have a problem with the way we do it?

And if the protests are more regulated, then it helps prevent riots and causes less work for the police.

Um, isn't protecting citizens and keeping the peace the job of the police? Isn't that why they get paid? Why give them less work? And protests getting out of hand is not as widespread as you seem to think it is.

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Originally posted by Strangelove
We limit freedoms within the laws that Congress pass. Censoring opinions is authoritarian, idiotic, and in no way complying with the laws of Congress. That answer your question?

Um, isn't protecting citizens and keeping the peace the job of the police? Isn't that why they get paid? Why give them less work? And protests getting out of hand is not as widespread as you seem to think it is.

Well instead of limiting it in each separate law, we just made the clause in the bill of rights. More efficient that way. And some opinion's such as hate speech have to be limited.

And yes it is the police force's job, but if we enact laws to prevent protests from getting out of hand it frees up the police to handle other matters. Their resources are not unlimited you know.

Originally posted by Schecter
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Originally posted by Starhawk
Well instead of limiting it in each separate law, we just made the clause in the bill of rights. More efficient that way. And some opinion's such as hate speech have to be limited.

And yes it is the police force's job, but if we enact laws to prevent protests from getting out of hand it frees up the police to handle other matters. Their resources are not unlimited you know.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Ah, but I have a better idea. How about we just ignore people we don't like, or who say things we don't like. That way we can all have our constitutional freedoms.

Problem solved.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Or how's about what I said before? I reiterate: Problem solved 😉

Nope because not everyone will ignore them and it may incite people to commit crime or violence.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Nope because not everyone will ignore them and it may incite people to commit crime or violence.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I reiterate: Problem solved 😉

Originally posted by Strangelove
And they will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Well I guess up here we prefer to be proactive. If we can prevent them from happening then it saves court time and costs.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Well I guess up here we prefer to be proactive. If we can prevent them from happening then it saves court time and costs.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Yeah well I guess down here we like people to be able to express themselves freely.

Unfortunately that can cause problems sometimes. We do just fine up here with the limitations we have.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Unfortunately that can cause problems sometimes. We do just fine up here with the limitations we have.

We're all fine. Discussion over.

Originally posted by Strangelove
And we do just fine with ours.

We're all fine. Discussion over.

Yup, I was not bashing your way of doing things, I was defending ours.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Yup, I was not bashing your way of doing things, I was defending ours.

Originally posted by Strangelove
You seemed to critique our way a lot for just defending it 😬

I felt the same way about what you were saying. Perhaps this was a misunderstanding.

I'll make you a deal. When the WBC goes up to Canada, you can do with them what you will. Until then, we'll do it our way 😉