World war hulk

Originally posted by Kutulu
Well... Juggernaut at the energy level he was during the end of the 8th day saga, where he was 80 feet tall and ripping through reality using his hands (after nearly killing Thor, with Thor being totally helpless against him), would be more than ample threat for most of Marvel Earth (with the exception of Dr. Strange).

Not quite, you're talking about 2 different instances there. 8th Day took place in Thor, Spider-Man, Ironman and a one shot. The Trion incident took place in an Uncanny X-men issue. They happened at different times for different reasons.

The problem with this arc is that the Hulk has become so powerful that when he losses a fight Hulk fans are going to be screaming PIS. So what is there left for the Hulk? There isn't much that can stand up to him.

Thats why I like Marvel over DC, it wasn't outragous things, but now the Sentry and Hulk it seems to be taking the same route in my opinion.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
That's your opinion.

What gave you that idea?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

It's Marvel comics...

-AC

Thank the heavens...

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri

Hulk was meant to be the strongest there is, that's his tagline, that always has been.

He has always had "limitless" strength and therefore nothing they can depict is too much. It's clever and it's sly, but therefore, his strength is never wrong.

-AC

On EARTH! He was meant to be the strongest on planet earth. As I mention before to upgrade him is fine. To spike his level up high enough be near of gods and cosmics is pointless.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
On EARTH! He was meant to be the strongest on planet earth. As I mention before to upgrade him is fine. To spike his level up high enough be near of gods and cosmics is pointless.

The line and premise was "The Strongest There Is!". I am not aware of there being any small print of "...On Earth." in there.

Also, you said "Near". NEAR. Nobody is putting him with Galactus.

He isn't stronger than Celestials, Galactus, Thanos etc.

People are moaning that he is having it with Sentry, so what? That's not out of the question.

Just because they are FROM space, doesn't mean they have to be stronger than Hulk, does it? No. Shalla-Bal is from Zenn La, she couldn't come down and start warring with Hulk.

Just like Earth, there are different power levels even in space. You have Galactus, then you have Nova. Hulk is at such a level that he is going to be more powerful than some people who AREN'T even on Earth, that isn't an incorrect stretch, it's common sense.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
The problem with this arc is that the Hulk has become so powerful that when he losses a fight Hulk fans are going to be screaming PIS. So what is there left for the Hulk? There isn't much that can stand up to him.

Thats why I like Marvel over DC, it wasn't outragous things, but now the Sentry and Hulk it seems to be taking the same route in my opinion.

Hulk has ALWAYS been this way, though. The fact that writers are using a clause in his creative contract, if you will, is not wrong. Superman couldn't even fly originally.

HIS original tag was "Leap tall buildings in a single bound.", not "Move planets.".

Hulk's was, is and will always be that he is the STRONGest there is. There is a difference.

If he started knocking out Galactus, I'd be with you. He's not, though. You say that Hulk fanboys will moan that any loss he suffers is P.I.S, and I agree, those people are a problem. So are the people who, in retaliation, would have Hulk lose to Juggernaut or even Wolverine, which wouldn't and shouldn't ever happen.

-AC

is hulk depowered back to classic levels now ?

Originally posted by ankur29
is hulk depowered back to classic now then?

Originally posted by ankur29
is hulk depowered back to classic now then?

Hulk is lying in a sealed tank 3 miles beneath the ground with a peaceful look on his face as Bruce Banner, so it's hard to say.

Originally posted by Badabing
We'll know in January.

Originally posted by Badabing
We'll know in January.

people just dislike Hulk. end of. nothing more to be said when you have to ignore the basic premise, trademark tag line, the creator's constant repetition of "the madder he gets, the stronger he gets" and a handful of the most powerful characters in marvel cosmology all stating that he's infinite/near-infinite/virtually limitless etc, in order to start a debate about how the Hulk's "upgraded and ridiculously powerful now" ...

anyway, I'm more interested in the scans, any forthcoming?
I've read most of the important titles in the series and now that a certain torrents site is down, I'm at a loss for the finale (no local comic shops at the mo 😐).

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If he started knocking out Galactus, I'd be with you. He's not, though. You say that Hulk fanboys will moan that any loss he suffers is P.I.S, and I agree, those people are a problem. So are the people who, in retaliation, would have Hulk lose to Juggernaut or even Wolverine, which wouldn't and shouldn't ever happen.

-AC

Hulk has done things that are impossible no matter how much strength you have. Like pulling the tech tonic plates back together in planet Hulk. The pieces of the plates that he grabbed would break off, he wouldn't be able to pull it back. That wasn't so bad though, after all it is a comic featuring a big green guy with infinite anger. Thunder clapping a dimension away really sounds silly and childish.

Hulk losing to Juggernaut wouldn't be that bad.😬

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Hulk has done things that are impossible no matter how much strength you have. Like pulling the tech tonic plates back together in planet Hulk. The pieces of the plates that he grabbed would break off, he wouldn't be able to pull it back. That wasn't so bad though, after all it is a comic featuring a big green guy with infinite anger. Thunder clapping a dimension away really sounds silly and childish.

The tectonic plates thing, I just suggest you deal with. It's not out of the question.

Yes, thunder clapping a dimension, yeah. Not because of the power of the thunderclap, but because by very definition...it couldn't ever affect a dimension. ALL characters suffer stupidity at some point.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Hulk losing to Juggernaut wouldn't be that bad.😬

It would, really.

He gets beaten by the X-Men with painstaking regularity.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The tectonic plates thing, I just suggest you deal with. It's not out of the question.

Yes, thunder clapping a dimension, yeah. Not because of the power of the thunderclap, but because by very definition...it couldn't ever affect a dimension. ALL characters suffer stupidity at some point.

It would, really.

He gets beaten by the X-Men with painstaking regularity.

-AC

The tech tonic plate thing was just an example. It isn't that bad, it is just impossible no matter how strong you are.

Juggernaut doesn't lose to the X-men because they beat him physically. In fact they really haven't defeated him except for his first encounter when Xavier mind blasted him. The other times he was teleported to another dimension, or he jumped off a castle trying to save Black Tom.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
The tech tonic plate thing was just an example. It isn't that bad, it is just impossible no matter how strong you are.

It's impossible to be The Hulk. You can't really use that logic here. You can't accept the existence of The Hulk and then have spasms of realism when it suits you.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Juggernaut doesn't lose to the X-men because they beat him physically. In fact they really haven't defeated him except for his first encounter when Xavier mind blasted him. The other times he was teleported to another dimension, or he jumped off a castle trying to save Black Tom.

Juggernaut is a really, really, really strong man.

Hulk is the strongest being on Earth.

Ockham's razor.

I could sit here and say "I could beat Maurice Greene in a race, just do this, this and this.". It'd never happen, though. Sometimes you just have to drop the needless, "I'll create a scenario in my mind.". Hulk shouldn't lose to Juggernaut.

-AC

Originally posted by Badabing
Thor has looked uber and may well be leagues above Sentry and Hulk. Thor 4 is out.

Woot, let's hope my importer can get it by this weekend.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's impossible to be The Hulk. You can't really use that logic here. You can't accept the existence of The Hulk and then have spasms of realism when it suits you.

Juggernaut is a really, really, really strong man.

Hulk is the strongest being on Earth.

Ockham's razor.

I could sit here and say "I could beat Maurice Greene in a race, just do this, this and this.". It'd never happen, though. Sometimes you just have to drop the needless, "I'll create a scenario in my mind.". Hulk shouldn't lose to Juggernaut.

-AC

The Hulk is a really, really durable man.

Juggernaut is the most durable being on Earth.

Occam's Razor.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Hulk was never meant to be a character all that powerful. Sure, making him smart was an upgrade...putting him somewhere near the cosmics level is a joke.

Like what Alpha Centauri said....Hulk is supposed to be the strongest in Marvel...

The only reason why I don't read Hulk or WWH it's because I am disappointed at his strength level.

He should be in the level as the cosmics or stronger...not still fussing around with Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's impossible to be The Hulk. You can't really use that logic here. You can't accept the existence of The Hulk and then have spasms of realism when it suits you.

Juggernaut is a really, really, really strong man.

Hulk is the strongest being on Earth.

Ockham's razor.

I could sit here and say "I could beat Maurice Greene in a race, just do this, this and this.". It'd never happen, though. Sometimes you just have to drop the needless, "I'll create a scenario in my mind.". Hulk shouldn't lose to Juggernaut.

-AC

Wow, you are reading my post the wrong way. Again, the tech tonic plates thing was and EXAMPLE. I not upset over it, I don't really know where you are getting that from. There are always things in comics that people think are wierd. I assume you didn't like it when Hulk lost to a snake, cement truck, and the team up of Spidey and Capt. America.

The Maestro lost to Prometheus, when he snapped his neck. Juggernaut is certainly capable of doing that. I am not saying for a majority, but it is there. Unlike Sentry, Juggernaut doesn't take damage from physical blows and has unlimited Stamina, so he won't be tired out.

Hulk's durability is a function of his infinite strength.
Juggernaut's is a function of Cyttorak's.

juggernaut gets a share of Cyttorak's power, not complete access nor even the greater portion. Hulk has his own and no limits on how much he draws from it.

Hulk would eventually, and always, destroy juggernaut, in a serious fight to the death.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Wow, you are reading my post the wrong way. Again, the tech tonic plates thing was and EXAMPLE. I not upset over it, I don't really know where you are getting that from. There are always things in comics that people think are wierd. I assume you didn't like it when Hulk lost to a snake, cement truck, and the team up of Spidey and Capt. America.

A) No, I didn't, because I think we can agree that's bs.

B) Captain America would beat God himself, no writer has the guts to make him lose it seems.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
The Maestro lost to Prometheus, when he snapped his neck. Juggernaut is certainly capable of doing that. I am not saying for a majority, but it is there. Unlike Sentry, Juggernaut doesn't take damage from physical blows and has unlimited Stamina, so he won't be tired out.

So? What's to say Hulk would? I know YOU'RE not saying that, but others do, and have.

Hulk is much stronger, much faster, has enough durability and healing to cover. Honestly? I participated for hundreds of pages on the longest ever thread in the Vs (Not sure if it has been broken), Juggernaut Vs Hulk, I'm not TOO keen to go into it again.

I just don't think Juggernaut is in Hulk's league. Hulk destroys Abomination when he feels like it. He would outfight Juggernaut, people say "Juggernaut could just keep coming.", but then what's the point of a fight? For all intents and purposes, Hulk would be the better.

-AC

The two times I have read that Hulk had his neck broken, he wasn't able to get back up right away. In the future imperfect arc, Maestro tormented a paralyzed Hulk. Yet he wasn't able to get up right away. So, that was technically a win for him.