Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
This comment proves that Hulk's power has never fluctuated. It has either been displayed or it hasn't, but the idea of him having limitless strength has always been there, it's always been his gimmick. It's not like Ice-Man being some random curtain jerker and then Chris Shitmont all of a sudden deciding the man can freeze blood, rather than writing a decent story. Hulk has always been Hulk, regarding his strength. They gave themselves a genius way out when they said "It's limitless.". That way, no matter how far his feats go, they are always plausible, because his strength is limitless.With Hulk, he does not fluctuate, the fan reaction does, or the writers do. They choose, not what his power is, but how much to show. Fans are idiots like that.
Hulk has always been one of Marvel's big anything. He was always promoted, from the very beginning, as "The strongest there is.". Nothing has changed. Hulk has always been one of the strongest and most fearsome characters in comic book history, that does not go away because certain idiots feel that he isn't.
That is exactly why the series is called World War Hulk. You would never see a World War Juggernaut, Wolverine or Spidey. It's Hulk because he is the only character who could do it.
-AC
Originally posted by Kutulu
Well... Juggernaut at the energy level he was during the end of the 8th day saga, where he was 80 feet tall and ripping through reality using his hands (after nearly killing Thor, with Thor being totally helpless against him), would be more than ample threat for most of Marvel Earth (with the exception of Dr. Strange).
Yes, but look at how much of a ridiculous, preposterous leap that was. We can all go with ridiculous one-offs, but it's not really of any value.
Hulk has always, more or less, just been Hulk. He's still been more than a match for anyone, including the likes of Surfer.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, but look at how much of a ridiclous, preposterous leap that was. We can all go with ridiculous one-offs, but it's not really of any value.Hulk has always, more or less, just been Hulk. He's still been more than a match for anyone, including the likes of Surfer.
-AC
True.
I said RKT was approaching Spectre levels, is all. He didn't stay around long enough for a good comparison.
The person above who claimed Hulk has long held back his power before this - nope. The very existence of the Hulk is based on Banner's emotions being out of control, and cutting loose. Only a shred of his conscience prevented him from killing people outright in his savage days, pulling back at the last moment. I think he could have accessed these levels in the past if he wanted to; he just got powered up even more on Sakarr before returning to Earth.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why? What's the issue with people saying that?Any rational person would read the comics before saying "It's practically about this.".
-AC
Hulk was never meant to be a character all that powerful. Sure, making him smart was an upgrade...putting him somewhere near the cosmics level is a joke.
Originally posted by roughrider
I said RKT was approaching Spectre levels, is all. He didn't stay around long enough for a good comparison.
The person above who claimed Hulk has long held back his power before this - nope. The very existence of the Hulk is based on Banner's emotions being out of control, and cutting loose. Only a shread of his conscience prevented him from killing people outright in his savage days, pulling back at the last moment. I think he could have accessed these levels in the past if he wanted to; he just got powered up even more on Sakarr before returning to Earth.
Yes, but what you have to understand is, he can only show as much as the writers want him to. As little or as much.
Because Stan Lee cleverly said his strength is limitless, nothing is too much, strengthwise. Just because we might be able to pinpoint peaks in his DEPICTED strength, doesn't mean that is his max, because he doesn't have a max.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Hulk was never meant to be a character all that powerful. Sure, making him smart was an upgrade...putting him somewhere near the cosmics level is a joke.
Hulk was meant to be the strongest there is, that's his tagline, that always has been.
He has always had "limitless" strength and therefore nothing they can depict is too much. It's clever and it's sly, but therefore, his strength is never wrong.
I've never actually seen such a delusional sense of credibility than in comics fandom. "We think this is wrong and shouldn't count, so it doesn't.". Silliness.
One could go so far as to argue that this is Hulk as he should be. As someone said today while I was discussing Hulk; "People focus so much on his psychological character that they forget what he was meant to be in the first place.". Hulk being some overpowering behemoth isn't farfetched, it's what he is, what he does and what he is meant to be.
They gave themselves a clever out by saying he had limitless strength, nothing they show is ever too much. It's hardly unfair. He braced a 100 billion ton mountain, and has hardly done anything that large since. It was well within his capability, based on his original premise.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriBecause Stan Lee cleverly said his strength is limitless, nothing is too much, strengthwise. Just because we might be able to pinpoint peaks in his DEPICTED strength, doesn't mean that is his max, because he doesn't have a max.
-AC
But Stan Lee wasn't the only one who created Hulk. Jack Kirby also help to create the character. Kirby's creations differentiate in power levels. Hulk was in it's own power level. There was no reason to raise his levels any higher. He was a fine character as he was. Now it's overblown to silliness.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
But Stan Lee wasn't the only one who created Hulk. Jack Kirby also help to create the character. Kirby's creations differentiate in power levels. Hulk was in it's own power level. There was no reason to raise his levels any higher. He was a fine character as he was. Now it's overblown to silliness.
That's your opinion, they're not wrong for doing so.
I don't think anything is "overblown" to silliness here. A hulking green giant with limitless strength is using that limitless strength, what's the issue? You can't draw the line of realism in comics, it defies sense.
Furthermore, they're not RAISING his levels. They initially promoted him as having LIMITLESS strength. There is no raising the limits, here. Just showing different areas. Unless you have a problem, not with them SAYING he has limitless strength, but showing it, which...again...I don't quite get.
It's Marvel comics, not True Life TV.
-AC
It's been said before, and here it is again - Hulk's strength has the POTENTIAL to be limitless, in THEORY. That's how it's written in his bios. Not that it actually is. If you look, bios for Apocalypse say the same thing - "he potentially could make himself as strong as he wants to." Writers will always put bricks like Hulk in situations and tailor his power to the challenge.
Originally posted by roughrider
It's been said before, and here it is again - Hulk's strength has the POTENTIAL to be limitless, in THEORY. That's how it's written in his bios. Not that it actually is. If you look, bios for Apocalypse say the same thing - "he potentially could make himself as strong as he wants to." Writers will always put bricks like Hulk in situations and tailor his power to the challenge.
It's essentially the same out in terms of writing, though.
Saying potential or definite, it gives them a way to make Hulk as physically strong as they desire, because they've not put a cap on it. He has not changed, neither has is ability. It is just shown in different lights. None of it is out of the question, if you look at his original premise.
-AC