World war hulk

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Normally Cytorrak's dimension is referred to as limitless though and as of WWH😘-Men 3 he told Cain the Juggernaut has access to as much of the power as he desires.

This series seems to have created a rival for Hulk even as it tried to have him live up to his credo.

FWIW IMHO this series did show a limit to Hulk's strength. He expended so much energy that he temporarily depowered. That he was able to repower enough to smash Miek, of all beings, just means he was able to repower. SMP from the Sinestro Corps War repowers quickly but he had limits too. Hulk from Hero's Reborn (?) was bleeding energy too.

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk would eventually, and always, destroy juggernaut, in a serious fight to the death.

You're out of your ****ing gourd, man. Stalemate. The Hulk could never hurt classic or re-powered Juggernaut.

Hulk has the power to hurt and to decimate him. what's Cyttorak going to do, sit there and let his dimension crumble as he feeds Juggernaut with more and more power to battle a creature that cannot - cannot - be tired and only grows stronger, faster, harder, more lethal?

come on, what on Earth could Juggernaut do?

Forget Hulk...

313w00t

Have you forgotten, that Hulk reverted back to Banner? That could be his limit, he expended all his energy until he learned who really killed his wife, then he was hit by a man made weapon that defeated him.

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk has the power to hurt and to decimate him. what's Cyttorak going to do, sit there and let his dimension crumble as he feeds Juggernaut with more and more power to battle a creature that cannot - cannot - be tired and only grows stronger, faster, harder, more lethal?

come on, what on Earth could Juggernaut do?

Christ, Marvel, what have you done. You've given people an opportunity to say shit like janus just has. The Hulk is basically a God now, huh?

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
You're out of your ****ing gourd, man. Stalemate. The Hulk could never hurt classic or re-powered Juggernaut.

Says who? Someone who is notoriously anti-Hulk.

It amuses me that there's a KMC Comic Books Power Tier.

As if you lot get to decide who is above who, not the comics.

My point EXACTLY; you say stalemate.

What's the point then? The only reason it'd be a stalemate is cos allegedly Juggernaut could keep coming back, right? So what? He couldn't outfight, outpower or outmaneuver The Hulk. Hulk would be the better in the fight. Surely that is how people should be deciding fights.

-AC

Originally posted by Bad Ash231
Forget Hulk...

313w00t

I JUST CAME.

IN MY PANTS.

NO AMOUNT OF TISSUES WILL EVER MAKE ME CLEAN AGAIN.

HERC FTW. 👆

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Have you forgotten, that Hulk reverted back to Banner? That could be his limit, he expended all his energy until he learned who really killed his wife, then he was hit by a man made weapon that defeated him.

you realise the above is a non sequitur, right?
he has no limits. and if anything, that above proves it.
he has reverted back to banner many times before, but those other times weren't 'limits', or else he wouldn't be fighting Sentry would he?

what he did to Meik and the general cosmic scale of his Hulk manifestation there, was just indicative of how relatively trivial a test of his powers Sentry was.

he has no limits, for all intents and purposes. think about it.

Cyttorak may (and indeed may not) have a similarly infinite potential, but clearly juggernaut and Cyttorak are going to have to share, so regardless of that juggernaut will fail to match or even remain in the same league as Hulk.

furthermore, there's the same problem that Strange had when he channelled Zom. control. Hulk can and does control levels of power that Strange cannot ever hope to. what's to say that cain wouldn't go insane before he could even raise his game upto WWH arc Hulk levels? (not even thinking about this newer Hulk manifestation)

Originally posted by Grinning Goku
Christ, Marvel, what have you done. You've given people an opportunity to say shit like janus just has. The Hulk is basically a God now, huh?

does it take a God to beat the snot out of Juggernaut?
does that make Juggernaut a God?

what does that make Onslaught? Friedrich Nietzsche?

Yeah, but Hulk has never reverted back to Banner in a brawl like this before.

Going by what you posted he shouldn't have reverted back, he anger would just keep replenishing his strength and stamina. Which it didn't.

Juggernaut was in the same league during the arc. Regardless if Hulk "needed to be somewhere else".

Here comes the hypocricy of; "Hulk fans treat his losses as P.I.S!".

Followed by: "Onslaught was P.I.S!".

-AC

Originally posted by Citizen V
I JUST CAME.

IN MY PANTS.

NO AMOUNT OF TISSUES WILL EVER MAKE ME CLEAN AGAIN.

HERC FTW. 👆


Too bad it has to feature Cho. 😐

Originally posted by Val
Too bad it has to feature Cho. 😐

No Hercules book would be complete without sodomy.

Cho's Hercules' new bumboy.

It makes sense.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Yeah, but Hulk has never reverted back to Banner in a brawl like this before.

Going by what you posted he shouldn't have reverted back, he anger would just keep replenishing his strength and stamina. Which it didn't.

Juggernaut was in the same league during the arc. Regardless if Hulk "needed to be somewhere else".

His anger died down after Sentry converted back to Robert. When Hulk got mad again at Miek he instantly transformed into Hulk again, as good as new.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
What's the point then? The only reason it'd be a stalemate is cos allegedly Juggernaut could keep coming back, right? So what? He couldn't outfight, outpower or outmaneuver The Hulk. Hulk would be the better in the fight. Surely that is how people should be deciding fights.

-AC

While I am a fan of both (Hulk's been on my pull list for since near the end of his grey days) I've always believed that in a knockdown Juggernaut would take it.

AC's post is actually the way it would really be. In the past Cain's had the, for lack of a better word, 'brains' between the two and would've been able to break any potential stalemate. No however Hulk's is the smartest one their is, at least between the two of them.

I also don't believe the Son of Zues actually lost to Hulk, this go round. He was only trying to get his attention! Go Herc! 😄

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Juggernaut once again in possession of the Crimson Gem of Cyttorak, facing the moral dilemma of whether to continue to fight the good fight and be the weakling he currently is or to accept his role as Cyttorak’s avatar of destruction and become once more the Unstoppable Juggernaut. In this issue, he finally makes up his mind and goes for option B. He then proceeds to smack the Hulk around a bit and is stopped, ironically, only by the fact that he is unstoppable.
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Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Yeah, but Hulk has never reverted back to Banner in a brawl like this before.

Going by what you posted he shouldn't have reverted back, he anger would just keep replenishing his strength and stamina. Which it didn't.

Juggernaut was in the same league during the arc. Regardless if Hulk "needed to be somewhere else".


and yet he obviously wasn't intent on killing Sentry, as his plea to Stark to put him down showed, he was in-control of his rage.

it wasn't that he was exhausted or in anyway lacking in stamina, just that he achieved what he wanted, Sentry learned that "Hulk is the strongest" and Sentry doesn't have enough in the tank to take him.

what Hulk had left, on the other hand, was/is enough to take on a whole other league of beings... far far above Sentry.

Juggernaut was not in the same league, that's the point of Hulk just dismissing him with a casual slap on the back.
Hulk stopped his "Juggernaut" forward momentum. something only mjolnir and War Hulk have previously achieved, made the foundations they were standing on begin to crumble and then let juggernaut bfr himself by a simple slap. and all the while, Hulk wasn't even giving him any real attention.

the whole of WWH has consistently shown that Hulk's powers fluctuate due to a few factors, his rage, his calculation about what the opposition can take (he fights with the army but doesn't kill any of them, fights with the X-men and avoids killing them, fights Thing for panels and yet pummels Zom/Strange in a panel because he knows that he can take it ...) rather than clobbering them all with the same vehemence.

I think you need to see the wider implications of what Amadeus Cho had to say.

Originally posted by lft4ded
While I am a fan of both (Hulk's been on my pull list for since near the end of his grey days) I've always believed that in a knockdown Juggernaut would take it.

Knockdowns require strength.

How is Juggernaut going to beat someone faster (Always), more agile (Always) and stronger (Always) than him?

-AC

Originally posted by Kutulu
His anger died down after Sentry converted back to Robert.

The first time we see Robert is also the first time we see Banner. So thats not true.

Juggernaut was not in the same league, that's the point of Hulk just dismissing him with a casual slap on the back.

Yeah right, Hulk got his head rammed into the ground, I doubt that is the case. He knew he couldn't KO Juggernaut so he did what he always does, BFR.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Yeah right, Hulk got his head rammed into the ground, I doubt that is the case. He knew he couldn't KO Juggernaut so he did what he always does, BFR.

So what? Juggernaut isn't a weakling is he? Nobody is denying that he has the ability to knock Hulk about a bit.

He just wouldn't win.

-AC