Originally posted by llagrok
READ MY GOD DAMN POSTS.I said that it was a poor depiction, is that the same as saying he wasn't using full power?
also stop whining about the art who gives a flying f5ck. It happened live with it dam.
Originally posted by strengthkills
Indirectly, yes cause you are insinuating that prior depictions>this depiction. 🙂
Nope, not at all. It's still full power. It's just another example of how Pak doesn't care about prior depictions and events.
If most other writers had done it, I wouldn't have felt so bad. Call it writer bias if you want to, but it's proven that Pak messes up power levels. I mean, we all read endsong.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
what was wrong with end song? Though I have to tell you I did not read the whole arc I own it, but it was boring.
Not THAT much wrong with it.
Pak just decided to give Quentin telekinesis, even though he has never shown the capability of using it. That might've been the Phoenix though, who knows.
Wolverine killed Jean 17 times, just like in X-3
Originally posted by llagrok
Not THAT much wrong with it.Pak just decided to give Quentin telekinesis, even though he has never shown the capability of using it. That might've been the Phoenix though, who knows.
Wolverine killed Jean 17 times, just like in X-3
Ya that arc was pritty wierd
Originally posted by llagrokYeah,but of the 4 times ive seen cyclops go "go all out" its been different each occasion.
Nope, not at all. It's still full power. It's just another example of how Pak doesn't care about prior depictions and events.If most other writers had done it, I wouldn't have felt so bad. Call it writer bias if you want to, but it's proven that Pak messes up power levels. I mean, we all read endsong.
Originally posted by strengthkills
Yeah,but of the 4 times ive seen cyclops go "go all out" its been different each equation.
Yes, but his "all out move" has become stronger each time, naturally. Civil War was without any inhibitions at all, which meant that it was pretty close to his max.
How can it be that going all out nearly killed him a couple of months ago, yet now he didn't feel ANYTHING at all.
Originally posted by llagrokPhysical Therapy?
Yes, but his "all out move" has become stronger each time, naturally. Civil War was without any inhibitions at all, which meant that it was pretty close to his max.How can it be that going all out nearly killed him a couple of months ago, yet now he didn't feel ANYTHING at all.
wwh#2 out next week 18th http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=6991
heres the WWH checklist:
MAY
WORLD WAR HULK PROLOGUE: WORLD BREAKER #1
INCREDIBLE HULK #106
JUNE
WORLD WAR HULK #1
INCREDIBLE HULK #107
INVINCIBLE IRON MAN #19
GHOST RIDER #12
HEROES FOR HIRE #11
WORLD WAR HULK X-MEN #1
WORLD WAR HULK: GAMMA CORPS #1
WORLD WAR HULK: FRONTLINE #1
JULY
AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE #4
IRREDEEMABLE ANT-MAN #10
WORLD WAR HULK #2
GHOST RIDER #13
WORLD WAR HULK: FRONTLINE #2
INVINCIBLE IRON MAN #20
HEROES FOR HIRE #12
WORLD WAR HULK: GAMMA CORPS #2
WORLD WAR HULK #3
WORLD WAR HULK: X-MEN #2
WORLD WAR HULK: FRONTLINE #3
INCREDIBLE HULK #108
AUGUST
INCREDIBLE HULK #109
WORLD WAR HULK YOUNG AVENGERS #1
WORLD WAR HULK GAMMA CORPS #3
WORLD WAR HULK FRONTLINE #4
WORLD WAR HULK #4
WORLD WAR HULK X-MEN #3
HEROES FOR HIRE #13
WORLD WAR HULK FRONTLINE #5
SEPTEMBER
WORLD WAR HULK GAMMA CORPS #4
WORLD WAR HULK #5
HEROES FOR HIRE #14
INCREDIBLE HULK #110
WORLD WAR HULK FRONTLINE #6
also here is a thought , any idea how tall the hulk is? marvel handbook's 7-8ft seems way off , i'd of thught 9-10ft)
take a look at this picture
http://www.macktropolis.com/_coreLibraries/pictureLibrary/wwHulk/theHulk_lg.jpg
i tried catching up on what happened since i've been gone, and i got to the top of page 59 before the bickering got too much to read.
here's why the scene does not depict cyclops' "max" in the same light as it's been shown various other places:
first, as llagrok correctly argued, his max is ridiculously more powerful than the effects of the scene show. his max is hardly controllable, and in the past he's short-circuited his visor simply by forcing the beam into it to a high level. so, whether or not his visor remained intact does reflect on his "max." as i said before, his "max" has repowered the equivalent of a sun, put out nuclear warhead-levels of energy, and a simple visorless shot for a split second wrecked a sentinel and a huge expanse of wooded area on the xavier estate.
second, despite what SC said, the visual representation of the beam was not as "directed" as it would need to be to not cause massive property damage. it's shown washing over the hulk for what appeared to be several seconds. at the rate his beams move, whatever didn't hit the hulk would've chewed through at least a half-mile of the surrounding area before dissipating; arguably more if we were assuming the same principles of his pre-established "max" apply.
third, a smaller beam from the visor is not more powerful than an open-eyed beam without the visor, capt. the ruby quartz doesn't refract the optic blast, causing a wider "mass" to be pushed through the smaller opening. ruby quartz vibrates at the same harmonic frequency as scott's "psi-shield," and at the opposite harmonic resonance as the apertures in his eyes. when the energy of his optic blasts hits the ruby quartz, it's shunted back into the dimension from whence it came. the idea that his visor is a refractive surface through which his beams can travel safely was prevalent in the movies, particularly the liberty island scene, but never in the comics.
the PROBLEM with how scott's being portrayed is not that the hulk is standing up to it; it's the smaller inaccuracies that show a lack of consistency. in the art, we even see hulk's skin flaking off in the attack. that's what happened when he was coming after blackbolt while he screamed. [yes, hulk was shown taking blackbolt's scream in the latest iron man, non-believer.] that means it's meant to be an up-there attack in terms of power level. it just feels off and wrong and visually, if not technically, downplayed to long-time x-fans such as myself.
anyway, as has already been established, it's not like any of us really expect anybody but the hulk to get the final blows in in this whole event. it is, to borrow the term, a wankfest for the hulk. so, people getting offended that hulk's winning, grow up. people cheering it on like it wasn't a foregone conclusion based around a biased event for the character, get some perspective.
Originally posted by DisappearYou know you are really smart,I retract my prior statements.
i tried catching up on what happened since i've been gone, and i got to the top of page 59 before the bickering got too much to read.here's why the scene does not depict cyclops' "max" in the same light as it's been shown various other places:
first, as llagrok correctly argued, his max is ridiculously more powerful than the effects of the scene show. his max is hardly controllable, and in the past he's short-circuited his visor simply by forcing the beam into it to a high level. so, whether or not his visor remained intact does reflect on his "max." as i said before, his "max" has repowered the equivalent of a sun, put out nuclear warhead-levels of energy, and a simple visorless shot for a split second wrecked a sentinel and a huge expanse of wooded area on the xavier estate.
second, despite what SC said, the visual representation of the beam was not as "directed" as it would need to be to not cause massive property damage. it's shown washing over the hulk for what appeared to be several seconds. at the rate his beams move, whatever didn't hit the hulk would've chewed through at least a half-mile of the surrounding area before dissipating; arguably more if we were assuming the same principles of his pre-established "max" apply.
third, a smaller beam from the visor is not more powerful than an open-eyed beam without the visor, capt. the ruby quartz doesn't refract the optic blast, causing a wider "mass" to be pushed through the smaller opening. ruby quartz vibrates at the same harmonic frequency as scott's "psi-shield," and at the opposite harmonic resonance as the apertures in his eyes. when the energy of his optic blasts hits the ruby quartz, it's shunted back into the dimension from whence it came. the idea that his visor is a refractive surface through which his beams can travel safely was prevalent in the movies, particularly the liberty island scene, but never in the comics.
the PROBLEM with how scott's being portrayed is not that the hulk is standing up to it; it's the smaller inaccuracies that show a lack of consistency. in the art, we even see hulk's skin flaking off in the attack. that's what happened when he was coming after blackbolt while he screamed. [yes, hulk was shown taking blackbolt's scream in the latest iron man, non-believer.] that means it's meant to be an up-there attack in terms of power level. it just feels off and wrong and visually, if not technically, downplayed to long-time x-fans such as myself.
anyway, as has already been established, it's not like any of us really expect anybody but the hulk to get the final blows in in this whole event. it is, to borrow the term, a wankfest for the hulk. so, people getting offended that hulk's winning, grow up. people cheering it on like it wasn't a foregone conclusion based around a biased event for the character, get some perspective.
So far we have Hulk:
1. Walking through a BlackBolt scream.
2. Resisting Xaviers TP.
3. Walking through a Cyclops max power optic blast.
My question is this. Once this is all said and done can Hulk supporters use these(and the many more sure to come) feats during World War Hulk for debates? Maybe he'll stay at these insane levels but I doubt it.
at this point, best odds are one of those gamma-restrictor devices she-hulk had, or sentry. and since he's clashing with the sentry in three, i think, i don't think he'll get taken out that quickly in the event. so, i'm pretty sure it's just going to stay a wankfest until hulk manifests a conscience, or bruce banner somehow returns to power.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosStupid puny Banner! I hate him too....durfist
In PlanetHulk right? That was because Hulk let him. This Hulk actively hates Banner.
Originally posted by DisappearTrue.
he also seemed to revert back when a handful of the spike elders literally sucked the life out of him for quite a while. neither of those situations seems likely to occur again.
