Originally posted by lft4ded
IDK, Kitty had no problem with dropping Juggernaut/Thor into the ground up to his waist with the intent that he would never walk again...though she did get spooked when Thor started screaming in pain.
and taken into consideration that Thor wasn't trying to finish them all off and she was less experienced back then, you would think that she'd take the Hulk down into the ground.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yeah, he should have tried using his laser vision or something . . .People go "all out" all the time. It's never consistent 😬
They had almost no time to come up with a plan. Emma was planted into the ground early in the fight. Xavier wanted to give up, he wouldn't help them.
Bottom 'o da page.
Originally posted by llagrok
and taken into consideration that Thor wasn't trying to finish them all off and she was less experienced back then, you would think that she'd take the Hulk down into the ground.
Hulk wasn't trying to kill them until after she phased him into the ground.
Beast also explicitly says that they weren't trying to kill him.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yeah, he should have tried using his laser vision or something . . .
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he could have shifted his weight, or kicked him in the crotch, anything that meant he wasnt going to have to try and overpower someone far stronger than him...
People go "all out" all the time. It's never consistent 😬
but cyclops' all outs usually involve the removal of the visor and a big blast, the last time i've seen him go all out with so little effect was in the 70s...
They had almost no time to come up with a plan. Emma was planted into the ground early in the fight. Xavier wanted to give up, he wouldn't help them.
emma was still going after kitty and beast had been taken out... and if there's one team that comes up with strategy on the fly, its the x-men...
hell, they'd been flying back to the mansion and obviously seen him there, they at the very least had a few minutes...
Kitty recently experienced in her mind having her child taken from her, being betrayed by Colossus, being locked away in a Kitty-proofed box for more than a year iirc, until finally escaping. She had the resolve to kill Colossus, should he refuse her http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/Astonishing%2017/scan7.jpg. Anyone who thinks she's still the bubbly rainbow costumed teenager... hasn't been paying attention.
As noted a younger and frankly more naive Kitty previously has done the same thing to Juggernaut/Thor - requiring Mjolnir's magic to escape. How exactly does one heal out of and strongarm there way from being atomically fused with the ground.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Kitty recently experienced in her mind having her child taken from her, being betrayed by Colossus, being locked away in a Kitty-proofed box for more than a year iirc, until finally escaping. She had the resolve to kill Colossus, should he refuse her. Anyone who thinks she's still the bubbly rainbow costumed teenager... hasn't been paying attention.
No, no, you're not getting it.
Symmetric says that Kitty doesn't kill and that's it. 😠
Originally posted by pr1983
😐he could have shifted his weight, or kicked him in the crotch, anything that meant he wasnt going to have to try and overpower someone far stronger than him...
This Hulk knows how to fight so some tricks won't work on him 😬
Plus he has an invulnerable loincloth to protect his jewels.
Originally posted by pr1983
but cyclops' all outs usually involve the removal of the visor and a big blast, the last time i've seen him go all out with so little effect was in the 70s...
Very well. But this Hulk has taken Jonny's nova so that wouldn't have helped anyway 😖hifty:
Originally posted by pr1983
emma was still going after kitty and beast had been taken out... and if there's one team that comes up with strategy on the fly, its the x-men...hell, they'd been flying back to the mansion and obviously seen him there, they at the very least had a few minutes...
Maybe their minds were paralyzed by fear herbsmart
But honestly I have no good explanation for that. This version of Hulk might just overpower them too much for an off the cuff plan to help.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Kitty recently experienced in her mind having her child taken from her, being betrayed by Colossus, being locked away in a Kitty-proofed box for more than a year iirc, until finally escaping. She had the resolve to kill Colossus, should he refuse her http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/Astonishing%2017/scan7.jpg. Anyone who thinks she's still the bubbly rainbow costumed teenager... hasn't been paying attention.
But she didn't kill him now did she?
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
How exactly does one heal out of and strongarm there way from being atomically fused with the ground.
That was my biggest problem with the fight actually.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosAs there was no necessity. I'm not saying she'd murder in cold blood, I'm not saying she wouldn't. But after all the things that any of them have been through, the fact that Hulk intends to either kill or maim Charles for answering a hypothetical question and he's already injured a number of students - who I've no idea why Beast would set upon Hulk anyway - she's suddenly supposed to feel a great swell of guilt for doing what she had to do. Boo freakin' hoo?
But she didn't kill him now did she?
Also having been knocked unconscious I've no idea how Charles managed to carry Kitty off the battlefield when she's been shown to be intangible when unconscious. And I'm not sure why she'd be anymore likely to be knocked unconscious by a clap than Beast who has enhanced hearing, or why she failed to react to it when she can react to gunfire.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
This Hulk knows how to fight so some tricks won't work on him 😬Plus he has an invulnerable loincloth to protect his jewels.
he does know how to fight, but peter could surprise him, he's capable of it...
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Very well. But this Hulk has taken Jonny's nova so that wouldn't have helped anyway 😖hifty:
the concussive force at least should have knocked him back a bit to give the others time to get their shit together... 😛
Maybe their minds were paralyzed by fear herbsmartBut honestly I have no good explanation for that. This version of Hulk might just overpower them too much for an off the cuff plan to help.
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i know, it is a hulk book after all... i just think they're going a tad overboard with him...
Originally posted by pr1983
he does know how to fight, but peter could surprise him, he's capable of it...😆
sly Yeah, yeah.
Originally posted by pr1983
the concussive force at least should have knocked him back a bit to give the others time to get their shit together... 😛
Thats actually a very good point.
In the main issues Hulk is being forced to obey physical laws like that. Storm sent him flying with wind so a good shot from Cyc should have done something.
Originally posted by pr1983
😂i know, it is a hulk book after all... i just think they're going a tad overboard with him...
For the most part I think they're doing a pretty good job. The only problem comes when characters powersets should be extremely effective against Hulk and the writer has to get around it.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
sly Yeah, yeah.
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Thats actually a very good point.In the main issues Hulk is being forced to obey physical laws like that. Storm sent him flying with wind so a good shot from Cyc should have done something.
STORM DID WHAT?
For the most part I think they're doing a pretty good job. The only problem comes when characters powersets should be extremely effective against Hulk and the writer has to get around it.
i don't buy him beating blackbolt one on one though... the fact that we didnt see the fight (as far as i know) seemed a bit of a cop out to me...
i dunno, i'm leaning more to the side of 'alot of jobbing is going on' rather than it being anything special the hulk is doing...
