Originally posted by Gideon
That isn't even close to being remotely true. Simply saying that 'the KOTOR Sith were stronger than the Ancients' would imply that all of the Sith in the games - including the assassins, lackeys, and the guys from the Academy - were stronger than the Ancient Sith as well, and that's just stupid.
Lets analyze this through some comparisons and then make a conclusion...
Comparison of the power of the Sith of both periods - as a whole:
The KOTOR Sith Empire (developed by Revan) was capable enough to destroy the mighty Republic of the KOTOR era. As Duron Qel Droma remarked: “Worlds Dying – Sith so powerful”, when he saw visions about KOTOR era Sith.
While when the so called mighty ancient Sith Empire (led by Naga Sadow) for the first time invaded the ancient Republic (which was far inferior in terms of technology then it was in KOTOR age) got its @ss handed to it and miserably failed in its first attempt.
You know that Marka Ragnos did not attacked the Republic even once for a good reason during his long rule. Even Ludo Kressh realized the grave consequences of Sadow's expansionist ambitions.
WOW! The Ancients’ rule! 🙄
Comparison of the personal power of Sith Lords of both periods:
Show me one ancient Sith Lord who has performed amazing feats with the Force and not through aid from technology or tools?
The ancients are mostly noted for their proficiency in the arts of Sith Alchemy and that’s it.
Now I will make a one on one comparison of the Sith Lords of both era in terms of personal power and strength in the Force...
The Ancients:
Dathka Graush: Not much is known about his power. He was talented though.
Marka Ragnos: The only known ancient Sith Lord who is considered to be among the most powerful Sith Lords in Star Wars history but details about his actual power are speculative at best.
Naga Sadow: The so called greatest Sith Lord among the Ancients is only known to have tossed a brick with the Force.
Ludo Kressh: Could not counter a brick tossed towards him. F**king looser!
Ajunta Pall: Got stunned when he sensed the power of Revan.
Tulak Hord: Perhaps the greatest swordsman among the Ancients. Details are speculative at best.
Freedon Nadd: This one has actually performed some impressive feats by himself. So he deserves some credit.
The KOTOR Sith:
Darth Revan: He was very strong in the Force and performed several amazing feats by himself. His power and knowledge was enough to greatly impress a notable Sith Lord like Darth Bane (Who is considered to be a candidate for Sith’ari).
Darth Malak: He was so powerful that Duron Qel Droma got shocked and scared when he saw visions about him. He was a master practitioner of Force Lightning and is known to have killed many Jedi and Mandalorians.
Darth Traya: She was capable enough to quickly destroy 3 powerful Jedi Masters in an instant. Enough said…
Darth Sion: He was so strong that he could effectively fight even when he was in constant pain due to his massive injuries. His most notable feat is that he achieved immortality. Enough said…
Darth Nihilus: Destroyed an entire world with a single Force attack. He was a master practitioner of the best known Sith technique. Enough said…
Darth Bandon: He was strong in the Force and was known to have killed many Jedi.
Uther Wynn: He was so powerful that he actually had to be poisoned before being even considered to be attacked by the duo of the "Prodigal Knight Revan" and "Yuthura".
Atris: A Jedi Master who was strong in the Force and had studied from several Sith Holocrons and learned many offensive Sith techniques.
Now you decide?
Originally posted by Gideon
Furthermore, Kreia [one of those aforementioned 'Sith' whom you cite as being 'stronger' than the Ancients, and is perhaps the most informed of the Sith in that era] seems to think that the Ancient Sith are miles and miles ahead of the Sith in her era. At least for the vast majority. And while that isn't necessarily de facto truth, it does function as evidence, and it proves that - at least one Sith Lord thinks contrary to your belief.
Kriea was actually commenting about the swordsmanship of the Ancients. Some say that she was talking about the combat skills of Tulak Hord, who possibly used a Light Saber as well. And ACStyles have pointed out already that she actually spoke about the swordsmanship of the Ancient Sith Lords and not the commoners.
And I would like to point out that one notable KOTOR Character “Revan” seems to disagree with the POV of Kriea and he has also greatly studied about the Ancients and even got access to Tulak’s Holocron and learned from it. When Ajunta Pall confronted him and asked him about the conditions of the Sith of his age, Revan clearly replied that the Sith of his age were more powerful then they ever were before in any period and that includes the Ancients.
Originally posted by Gideon
Lastly, use logical deduction. Darth Bandon was a KOTOR-era Sith, and Ragnos would pretty much own him by looking at him. These were the Sith who - with the aid of technology [which KOTOR-Sith didn't have] could detonate stars and all other sort of stuff. Ragnos kept them in line, so he is easily far above the KOTOR-Sith with the possible exception of Revan and Nihilus.
Darth Bandon is not weak as you so proudly consider him to be. SW Databank clearly disagrees with your POV regarding him. He was strong in the Force and killed many Jedi during his time. If he was so weak, Malak would never have sent him to capture Bastilla despite the knowledge that she was being accompanied by some other capable warriors as well. Only Revan defeated him in a single combat and Revan is among the most powerful Jedi/Sith in SW history.
And the mighty Ancients could not detonate Stars by themselves. They developed a Super-weapon for that purpose and I am afraid to say that even with that thing, they could not defeat the Ancient Republic and the Jedi.
Also, do not forget about the Mass Shadow Generator that has proved to among the most devastating Super-weapons in SW History. It not only destroyed an entire planet but also wiped out the entire fleets of Mandalorians and Republic in a single go. Guess what? KOTOR era Engineers are not behind Ancients when you talk about developing devastating weapons or WMDs.
Conclusion: Ancients are over-rated.