Originally posted by Tangible God
Watch out Gideon, you'll get those claiming that his ship did all the work.
Well, for the most part, it did. With the exception of Ragnos [for the most part], I think that the Ancient Sith aren't anything particularly special in the 'combat' department without technology. For example, if you take away their technology, combat-wise, I'd personally say Maul would be able to own a lot of them. Knowledge wise, they might as well be the 'best' of the Sith eras. The Ancient Sith are not uber powerful without their technology, as some would have you believe. Any of the PT greats would curbstomp most of them (if not all of them). Ragnos, however, kept them in total fear when they did have this technology. He's on up there in terms of power.
Yeah, but it's likely Ragnos had such technology himself (you seem to not be taking that into account),
I mean no offence to you when I say this Nebaris, but I have been 'fighting' the Ancient Sith fanboyism and the idea that Marka Ragnos is a god for longer than most people [including Lightsnake]. Hell, I've made a massive thread dedicated to it, called 'the Antithesis of Ragnos Owns All' before you came along. I have taken it all into account. The difference between myself and everyone else, as we have shown on numerous occasions, is that I rarely venture into the world of what is likely. I operate on quotes, evidence, so on and so forth. While I do not dispute that Ragnos made use of technology [his scepter], it is baseless to assume that he was dependent on it to the degree that the others were. Until evidence comes along that changes my mind, I don't accept it.
and if we go by the way the sith honoured him at his funeral, it's likely that it was more out of respect than fear that they didn't attempt to turn on him.
I do not dispute that they respect him, but their fear is quite obvious. In fact, given that they are Sith - basing themselves on the philosophy that 'the strongest shall rule' - their respect means so much more. They respect and fear his power, it's not exactly a stretch. What exactly were you trying to point out, because I'm missing it.
Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Lol, don't worry, none of that was offensive in the least. And yeah, I don't know, my comment was pretty dumb coming to think about it (it happens, I am human, albeit a pretty incredible one), what I should have said was that it was due to a bit of both, which it likely was.
Bingo. We're in accordance.
Bane, for one. Before gaining the orbalisk armour, he's demonstrated some pretty insane raw power (collapsing an entire 20 story temples in seconds with one wave of energy for example), and some pretty awesome mastery and control (for example controlling the powers of 25 sith lords as well as his own, and directing it into an attack; the attack was powerful enough to destroy anything and everything in its path, and had the capabilities to destroy an entire world). Now that alone probably wouldn't put him above Sidious, however here's where it gets good: after gaining the orbalisk armour, he basically grows ten times more powerful. The orbalisk armour basically (among other things) constantly pumps Bane up with darkside energies, meaning he would never fatigue and would always have a fresh reserve of force energy, and theoretically could give him an infinite amount of force energy depending on how much he gathered. For instance, he could literally produce unlimited force waves, unlimited storms of force lightning, unlimited blasts of energy, and really, he has unlimited force reserves to perform any force power. Bane's basically who Sidious wanted to be when he screamed "unlimited Power!!" Or, alternatively, he could simply just gather the constant supply of energy, gather as much as his body could handle (which is huge based on the second bracket of my second sentence that I posted above), and then just release that, which not many people would be able to handle. Not many people can touch Bane, and Sidious isn't one of them imho.
Everyone knows Darth Sidisou was the greatest sith of all time closely followed by Darth Vader. Darth Bane and Plagueis were powerful but never came close to the child of the force and Sidiosu who wore the kyber crystal greatly enchancing his power.
Marka Ragnos does not exist in Lucas true vision.
1. Darth Sidious
2. Darth Vader
3. Darth Bane
4. Darth Plagueis
5. Darth Tyranus
6. Darth Rage
7. Darth Maul
8. Darth Scarz
9. Darth Revan
10. Darth Imperius
11. Darth Ghore
12. Darth Vak
13. Darth Slane
14. Darth Vicrone
15. Darth Malak
16. Exar Kun
17. Darth Xio Jade
18. Darth Seer
19. Darth Thrax
20. Darth Secretus
Originally posted by Apollo CloudBlah blah blah, Already the ancient sith stated that sidious is the strongest who ever lived in EE, TNEC backs this up, DSSB backs this up, you fail banehumper
Bane, for one. Before gaining the orbalisk armour, he's demonstrated some pretty insane raw power (collapsing an entire 20 story temples in seconds with one wave of energy for example), and some pretty awesome mastery and control (for example controlling the powers of 25 sith lords as well as his own, and directing it into an attack; the attack was powerful enough to destroy anything and everything in its path, and had the capabilities to destroy an entire world). Now that alone probably wouldn't put him above Sidious, however here's where it gets good: after gaining the orbalisk armour, he basically grows ten times more powerful. The orbalisk armour basically (among other things) constantly pumps Bane up with darkside energies, meaning he would never fatigue and would always have a fresh reserve of force energy, and theoretically could give him an infinite amount of force energy depending on how much he gathered. For instance, he could literally produce unlimited force waves, unlimited storms of force lightning, unlimited blasts of energy, and really, he has unlimited force reserves to perform any force power. Bane's basically who Sidious wanted to be when he screamed "unlimited Power!!" Or, alternatively, he could simply just gather the constant supply of energy, gather as much as his body could handle (which is huge based on the second bracket of my second sentence that I posted above), and then just release that, which not many people would be able to handle. Not many people can touch Bane, and Sidious isn't one of them imho.
Blah blah blah, Already the ancient sith stated that sidious is the strongest who ever lived in EE,
Yeah, and unlike us, the Ancient Sith don't have the luxury of an omniscient narrator explaining factually all the events that we witness through novels, and comics, and the movies themselves. They're not infallible is my point, so if that's the best you got, try harder.
TNEC backs this up,
Haven't we been through this before Kadesh, about... 100 gazillion times? The NEC is an in-universe source, written by a SW character that's certainly fallible, and his material is thus subject to being inaccurate based on him being uninformed, misinformed, or a dumbass.
DSSB backs this up, you fail banehumper
No it doesn't. So as usual, every single one of your points is flawed. You're the only one that fails Kadesh, go back to debating against SW Legend.