Who is the most powerful Sith

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You are comparing unknowns to the KOTOR era. That's ridiculous, especially since the Ancients created all of the techniques used by later sith. Not to mention after Ragnos died,t here were no truly uber powerful ancient sith, seeing as how the Golden Age ended..

And Ragnos is the only true saving face for the Ancients. But even he did not initiated any expansionist moves like Naga Sadow did, because he knew about the immense risks of such an action. Thus his skills have remain untested.

Additionally, Malachor V is the place from where Kriea, Revan, Sion and Nihilus learned much about the ancient Sith techniques. And possibly the "True Sith" had inhabited it before Revan discovered that planet. And the identity of the True Sith has not been revealed yet.

And not all tools used by KOTOR era Sith were actually developed by the Ancient Sith. Best example is the Star Forge.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Bane, for one. Before gaining the orbalisk armour, he's demonstrated some pretty insane raw power (collapsing an entire 20 story temples in seconds with one wave of energy for example), and some pretty awesome mastery and control (for example controlling the powers of 25 sith lords as well as his own, and directing it into an attack; the attack was powerful enough to destroy anything and everything in its path, and had the capabilities to destroy an entire world). Now that alone probably wouldn't put him above Sidious, however here's where it gets good: after gaining the orbalisk armour, he basically grows ten times more powerful. The orbalisk armour basically (among other things) constantly pumps Bane up with darkside energies, meaning he would never fatigue and would always have a fresh reserve of force energy, and theoretically could give him an infinite amount of force energy depending on how much he gathered. For instance, he could literally produce unlimited force waves, unlimited storms of force lightning, unlimited blasts of energy, and really, he has unlimited force reserves to perform any force power. Bane's basically who Sidious wanted to be when he screamed "unlimited Power!!" Or, alternatively, he could simply just gather the constant supply of energy, gather as much as his body could handle (which is huge based on the second bracket of my second sentence that I posted above), and then just release that, which not many people would be able to handle. Not many people can touch Bane, and Sidious isn't one of them imho.

I put emphasis on the particularly important [and self-destructive] word in that diatribe, Apollo. Theoretical. You know how I debate, and how debates work. We don't debate theories. We debate facts. This isn't valid, so don't expect anyone to think otherwise until you prove up.

Point is, he has enough force energy that he'd ever need, given the input is constant. That means that there's no limit to how much energy he can gather or for how long his attacks can go on. It's a 100% valid point that makes a good case for Bane being more powerful than Sidious.

Point is, he has enough force energy that he'd ever need, given the input is constant. That means that there's no limit to how much energy he can gather or for how long his attacks can go on. It's a 100% valid point that makes a good case for Bane being more powerful than Sidious.

You said it yourself, Apollo, it's theoretical. 'Unlimited reserve of Force energies', I want you to absolutely prove it. Once again, if this were the case, why is Sidious called [by a canon soruce] 'the one the Sith have been waiting a millenium for [which includes Bane's time], born with the power to bring them from hiding'.

Since Sidious wasn't born with any political power, we must assume it doesn't apply.

You said it yourself, Apollo, it's theoretical. 'Unlimited reserve of Force energies', I want you to absolutely prove it.

Do you even know what 'constant' means? It means Bane's always being pumped with these energies, meaning that there is no time where he's not being pumped with the energies, meaning there's no limit to the power he's receiving.

Once again, if this were the case, why is Sidious called [by a canon soruce] 'the one the Sith have been waiting a millenium for [which includes Bane's time], born with the power to bring them from hiding'.

Since Sidious wasn't born with any political power, we must assume it doesn't apply.

Sidious was born with some pretty extraordinary genius, and 'the power to bring [the sith] from hiding,' as can be seen by the way he achieved such a goal can be safely assumed as something having nothing to do with personal combat prowess, but the genius to orchestrate the end of the Jedi and rise of the Sith.

Sidious was born with some pretty extraordinary genius, and 'the power to bring [the sith] from hiding,' as can be seen by the way he achieved such a goal can be safely assumed as something having nothing to do with personal combat prowess, but the genius to orchestrate the end of the Jedi and rise of the Sith. [/B]

What are you, stupid? Nevermind, don't answer that. The quote was made before Sidious achieved anything political, so it CLEARLY is talking about his power. Unplug your modem and review your life.

Sexy id actually agree with s_w_legend for now that kotor and totj sith > ancients until we actually know who are the ones who invented the techniques.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Sexy id actually agree with s_w_legend for now that kotor and totj sith > ancients until we actually know who are the ones who invented the techniques.

I believe the golden age was from 6200 BBY to 5100 BBY. The sith in between were the most powerful. Ragnos was the last powerful sith.

Well what did ragnos do to look so powerful?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I believe the golden age was from 6200 BBY to 5100 BBY. The sith in between were the most powerful. Ragnos was the last powerful sith.

Then why is Sidious the strongest Sith Ever, even by ROTS.

Well what did ragnos do to look so powerful?

He scared brick-throwers, killed some dude and then was pwned by Jaden Korr.

That's about it.

I know I'm impressed.

Someone once claimed he threw with suns or something and everyone went wild. Also there are sources of sith saying he was pretty good.

Someone once claimed he threw with suns or something and everyone went wild. Also there are sources of sith saying he was pretty good.

Yes, people like Td and the rest back in the days of "Who Can Wank off the Ancient Sith The Most" did claim the Ancient Sith could throw around stars. And Marka Ragnos would pwn DE Sidious AND DN Luke AND Exar Kun.....

The horror....the horror....

Originally posted by Nikkolas
He scared brick-throwers, killed some dude and then was pwned by Jaden Korr.

That's about it.

I know I'm impressed.

Right, being the most powerful during the pinnacle of dark side power, ruling unopposed for 150 years, not impressive at all. Having a frightening grasp of the dark side isn't impressive. I guess being able to drain a planet once makes you a force god. Oh wait..

Sidious was born with some pretty extraordinary genius, and 'the power to bring [the sith] from hiding,' as can be seen by the way he achieved such a goal can be safely assumed as something having nothing to do with personal combat prowess, but the genius to orchestrate the end of the Jedi and rise of the Sith.

Before we continue, assuming that we did use this route, that would mean you're acknowledging that Sidious, as far as intellect is concerned, is well above Bane himself.

LOL, I'm really not as anti Sidious as people seem to think. Of course he's above Bane in intellect (though Bane was quite the genius), to say otherwise is insane, Sidious is second to nobody in that department.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
LOL, I'm really not as anti Sidious as people seem to think. Of course he's above Bane in intellect (though Bane was quite the genius), to say otherwise is insane, Sidious is second to nobody in that department.

It's not about the degree of anti-Sidious as opposed to the degree of pro-Bane, Apollo.

How so? Bane isn't even my favorite character. I prefer Ulic, Kas'im, Bastilla and Nomi. I just think he's underrated, and because of that, I like to argue for him.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
How so? Bane isn't even my favorite character. I prefer Ulic, Kas'im, Bastilla and Nomi. I just think he's underrated, and because of that, I like to argue for him.

I suppose the source of my confusion is this whole discrepency about the 'unlimited Force power'. Like I said, if that were indeed the case, Bane would essentially be invincible or, at least, more than powerful enough to take out any living Jedi at his time. He could have stopped them all himself if that were the case.

Eh, already replied to in the other thread. But let me just say this; I'm not saying that Bane can instantly access an infinite amount of force energy, not at all, but given preparation and time used to gather the energies, the amount doesn't really have a limit, except how much his body can handle, I guess (which we know is a hell of a lot of power, given his weaker body (no orbalisk armour) was capable of acting as a vessel in the force ritual that gathered enough energy to destroy the whole of Ruusan).