Materalistic and Manipulative

Yea but you spent the rest of the time bashing women. That is why I just said people are this way. I mean you have points but that is not the majority of women, even in the U.S.

Originally posted by chithappens
Yea but you spent the rest of the time bashing women. That is why I just said people are this way. I mean you have points but that is not the majority of women, even in the U.S.

Life will show you this to be true (in time).

I been alive a while and lived in three regions of the U.S. to see and know that 95% of women are not that way. People are this way but it is not 95%. I have lived in poor and middle class areas and been among the wealthy so I have a good idea.

Originally posted by BobbyD
take 2, IDENTICAL, GOOD-LOOKING men, and 100 women.

a) One is poor, has a fair career, works hard (is likely to actually be the nicer person too), can seldom take a women out to dinner and buy her bling
b) The other is rich, has a great career, golfs 3 times a week, drives a Ferrari, lives in a $1m home

Who are the women going to crawl and scratch each other's eyes over to get to, and persuade, manipulate, lie, to get?

Originally posted by chithappens
I been alive a while and lived in three regions of the U.S. to see and know that 95% of women are not that way. People are this way but it is not 95%. I have lived in poor and middle class areas and been among the wealthy so I have a good idea.

Then all I can conclude is that you have not been jaded by what has gone on around you, conspicous or not.

Kudos. ...says a lot about you. 😉

most women always have their eye out for the BBD.

You have a point but not 95% of people are like that. A lot of young women are similar to your take 2 approach, but this leaves out how old they might be which would make a huge difference. Part of a lot of women doing that comes from home. Here's something I wrote a while ago regarding this subject:

I am a gentleman. Let's not excuse it for a "gentle man" like most females tend to do. I speak of the opposite gender, in general, as females because I believe that calling them girls is too belittling, yet to call them ladies, in general, is going quite far. Still, the few gentlemen left try to keep in mind that ladies still exist; they can't be extinct right? As was said in the Boondocks, "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence." This does not mean that we do not question how the situation has gotten the way it has.

As young kids, we are conditioned to think a certain way. For example:

- If a six year old boy is asked how many girlfriends he has and he replies, "Three!" , regardless of the truth of it, all the surrounding males think it's cool as hell. The boy is high fived, the father is like, "That's my son!", etc.

- If a thirteen year old girl is asked if she has A boyfriend and she says, "Yes," then one of two things happen:

1) She is given the "all men are dogs" speech and told to be cautious of this boy cause all he wants is one thing.

2) Scolded and told she should be more focused on whatever it is she is involved in and the whole nine with that.

* If your parents were outstanding citizens who did different then just roll with me regardless. It can't be argued that this is not what happens in general.

So from this moment we are faced with a duality. Males are still told to be "nice." Not necessarily cater to a female but do enough to get to her head and do whatever. Males are not told to be with one female. Mess around "while you can" kinda thing. I don't do it, but to each their own.

Females are told that they should mess with only one guy, but every female has that moment with some guy and she sees how much of an ass he is - how he is messing 'round with this and that girl, showing lack of respect, etc. - and then she tries again to a guy who seems nice but then turns out the same way. The cycle continues until she is just like the dude - **** any relationship cause ain't no one trying to really be monogamous.

Guys know that trying to step to a girl "correct" will likely get you nowhere nowadays. Any girl you address this issue with will give the whole "I'm different" argument. This is also some bullshit. Just be honest about who you are. I don't need you trying to be all virtuous just cause it sound like the right thing to say. That's not to say guys do not do the same, but if girls would stop giving in to these guys that they claim do them wrong then all would go much more smoothly.

* An excerpt from Nov 14, 2006

So as you can see, I agree, but this is not 95% - a majority? Yes, but it is complicated.

Originally posted by chithappens
You have a point but not 95% of people are like that. A lot of young women are similar to your take 2 approach, but this leaves out how old they might be which would make a huge difference. Part of a lot of women doing that comes from home. Here's something I wrote a while ago regarding this subject:

I am a gentleman. Let's not excuse it for a "gentle man" like most females tend to do. I speak of the opposite gender, in general, as females because I believe that calling them girls is too belittling, yet to call them ladies, in general, is going quite far. Still, the few gentlemen left try to keep in mind that ladies still exist; they can't be extinct right? As was said in the Boondocks, "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence." This does not mean that we do not question how the situation has gotten the way it has.

As young kids, we are conditioned to think a certain way. For example:

- If a six year old boy is asked how many girlfriends he has and he replies, "Three!" , regardless of the truth of it, all the surrounding males think it's cool as hell. The boy is high fived, the father is like, "That's my son!", etc.

- If a thirteen year old girl is asked if she has A boyfriend and she says, "Yes," then one of two things happen:

1) She is given the "all men are dogs" speech and told to be cautious of this boy cause all he wants is one thing.

2) Scolded and told she should be more focused on whatever it is she is involved in and the whole nine with that.

* If your parents were outstanding citizens who did different then just roll with me regardless. It can't be argued that this is not what happens in general.

So from this moment we are faced with a duality. Males are still told to be "nice." Not necessarily cater to a female but do enough to get to her head and do whatever. Males are not told to be with one female. Mess around "while you can" kinda thing. I don't do it, but to each their own.

Females are told that they should mess with only one guy, but every female has that moment with some guy and she sees how much of an ass he is - how he is messing 'round with this and that girl, showing lack of respect, etc. - and then she tries again to a guy who seems nice but then turns out the same way. The cycle continues until she is just like the dude - **** any relationship cause ain't no one trying to really be monogamous.

Guys know that trying to step to a girl "correct" will likely get you nowhere nowadays. Any girl you address this issue with will give the whole "I'm different" argument. This is also some bullshit. Just be honest about who you are. I don't need you trying to be all virtuous just cause it sound like the right thing to say. That's not to say guys do not do the same, but if girls would stop giving in to these guys that they claim do them wrong then all would go much more smoothly.

* An excerpt from Nov 14, 2006

So as you can see, I agree, but this is not 95% - a majority? Yes, but it is complicated.

Well said, with many truths no less! But, you and I shall just agree to disagree, that's all. 😬

I say life teaches us all how to view stuff

Originally posted by BobbyD
Yes and no, Deb. Inherintly speaking, it's in a woman blood to find the most attractive suitor to bind to who can provide for her (regardless of interests/preferences). We are no different than animals. You can't blame yourselves for it. It is what you are. Just like 95% of all men are selfish and insensitive. I know it. Do I care? No, because that's just being a man. It is what it is.

A) I know you said you're talking in general, but that doesn't make you right. Unless you can prove stats, don't use stats.

B) Women look for the most suitable partner, genetically, it doesn't necessarily mean attractive in a visual sense. It's not genetically ingrained for women to chase cars and money, those that do, CHOOSE to. It's not because they're "women", it's because they're "idiots". Back in caveman days, women didn't look for the richest male, the male with the fastest car, she looked for the best provider and partner. If a male can provide to the point of satisfaction, women will be fine, but what is the point of satisfaction? To some women it's a comfortable life, nothing outlandishly superficial. To some it's cash, cars and you name it.

Which is more natural? The first one, because that's closer to what was intended. Anything else, anything EXCESSIVE is just a choice. It's not natural for women to hunt down rich men FOR the rich man, they choose to. Proof of this is that not every woman necessarily gives a shit, they're not all chasing the rich guy.

Additionally, rich does not equal being a good provider. If she married a rich man cos he's a rich man, but he does NOTHING for her, gives her nothing, he's hardly "providing" is he? He could very well say "Go out and get a job.", and she may do so or she may not. It may be a status thing, she may not even care that he won't provide. There are too many women and too many things to consider to make such a sweeping statement.

Originally posted by BobbyD
Question: take 2, IDENTICAL, GOOD-LOOKING men, and 100 women.

a) One is poor, has a fair career, works hard (is likely to actually be the nicer person too), can seldom take a women out to dinner and buy her bling
b) The other is rich, has a great career, golfs 3 times a week, drives a Ferrari, lives in a $1m home

Who are the women going to crawl and scratch each other's eyes over to get to, and persuade, manipulate, lie, to get?

If the women are searching for excess and nothing else matters, the second one. You cannot suggest women will go for things like that BECAUSE they are women, it's ludicrous.

Just like a girl can't say "If there's a woman with large breasts and lots of money or a modest other option, which will men go for?" and then say "The first one.". Some will, if that appeals to them. Personally, I wouldn't. If we're talking long term relationship, I wouldn't choose her based on her looks and money, because I'm someone who does not tolerate anything I dislike, regardless of what the benefits of doing so may be.

The same applies to women.

-AC

Oh boy, AC is here.

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*runs*

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Bobby, however, doesn't like it when people provide him...WITH AN ARGUMENT!

Badum-chhh.

Nah, just reply, man. Go on, you'll like it.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Bobby, however, doesn't like it when people provide him...WITH AN ARGUMENT!

Badum-chhh.

Nah, just reply, man. Go on, you'll like it.

-AC

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Well said AC. You explained it while I just copied and pasted because I was too lazy 😆