What do you believe is socially wrong with these Nations? [Merged]

Originally posted by inimalist
we are clearly talking about different levels of disability payment for what you are describing has nothing to do with the group home settings that are very prominent in Ontario today.

Disabled people should not have to live in group homes. They should be given the money to find an apartment to live in of their choice. They shouldn't be made to feel like charity cases because of a disability that is not within their control.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Disabled people should not have to live in group homes. They should be given the money to find an apartment to live in of their choice. They shouldn't be made to feel like charity cases because of a disability that is not within their control.

we are talking about different levels of disabled

I agree, at the barely disabled level the system completely abandons people.

Originally posted by inimalist
we are talking about different levels of disabled

I agree, at the barely disabled level the system completely abandons people.

I have 2 friends who are legally blind and one who has fibromyalgia the other in a wheelchair. And they are part of that abandoned group your talking about. Just how disabled do they have to be for you to think they deserve adequate treatment by the Government?

And they have to fight tooth and nail to get the almost nonexistent assistance. My friend with Fibromyalgia had to fight for a year and a half to get coverage.

Originally posted by Starhawk
I have 2 friends who are legally blind and one who has fibromyalgia the other in a wheelchair. And they are part of that abandoned group your talking about. Just how disabled do they have to be for you to think they deserve adequate treatment by the Government?

And they have to fight tooth and nail to get the almost nonexistent assistance. My friend with Fibromyalgia had to fight for a year and a half to get coverage.

I worked with the really disabled, those who are very much unable to care for themselves. One home was more high functioning, and did serve as a sort of starting point for people in the system to go into supported independent care, but these were people who only had developmental delays or emotional issues. Other homes there were paitents who had to be bathed because they were unable to do so. However, these are mental disabilities, not physical disabilities. Some of the mental disabilities are accompanied by physical disability, but I believe these Community Living programs are set up for only those with mental disability.

Originally posted by inimalist
I worked with the really disabled, those who are very much unable to care for themselves. One home was more high functioning, and did serve as a sort of starting point for people in the system to go into supported independent care, but these were people who only had developmental delays or emotional issues. Other homes there were paitents who had to be bathed because they were unable to do so. However, these are mental disabilities, not physical disabilities. Some of the mental disabilities are accompanied by physical disability, but I believe these Community Living programs are set up for only those with mental disability.

So you agree that the physically disabled are essentially abandoned by the government?

I don't personally know enough about the topic, but if you know someone who needed to wait a year to get assistance I would generally agree.

I don't know what you expect for them, but I would defiantly support some tax money going their way instead of to lobby groups in government kickbacks.

Originally posted by inimalist
I don't personally know enough about the topic, but if you know someone who needed to wait a year to get assistance I would generally agree.

I don't know what you expect for them, but I would defiantly support some tax money going their way instead of to lobby groups in government kickbacks.

You don't know the half of it. The education system pretends to give them support in order to get kickbacks and then they give them only the bare basic assistance. And he had to wait a year and a half actually. My legal career will focus on putting criminals away and helping disabled people get better coverage.

You want to know one thing that I am truly outraged and I have a feeling you will be as well. If a disabled person wants to travel for medical reasons it's covered, but not for educational ones, What I mean is that a college student who is disabled does not have their transportation covered. How do we expect people to get enough education to get a job that can accommodate their disability if we aren't prepared to support the ones trying?

You're still arguing end result v. sytem. It's a false argument.

Again, I ask: How do you want to change it?

Free healthcare for everyone I'm assuming. And not just basic healthcare of course, the same standard of care that the affluent are afforded in the private sector. For everyone. All the while providing the invalid and indigent with living costs comparable to the median salary/wage.

Hooray for being impractical.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hooray for being impractical.

I assume you're shitting in one of your hands, right?

I have no idea what that means, but it sounds kinky. 313

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Free healthcare for everyone I'm assuming. And not just basic healthcare of course, the same standard of care that the affluent are afforded in the private sector. For everyone. All the while providing the invalid and indigent with living costs comparable to the median salary/wage.

Hooray for being impractical.

It's not impractical at all, Sweden does it. In Canada, the province of Alberta does a much better job then Ontario does.

My point is that just because your not rich does not mean you don't have the right to live, and live with some dignity and the same health care quality as the rich do.

Governments simply have to be willing to put the money behind it, instead of giving themselves raises, like the McGuinty Government has twice in the last year in Ontario.

And it's not the fault of the disabled that they are in the situation they are. My two friends were born legally blind. They have every right to have a nice place to live and receive top quality health care. I know greed and self-interest seem to rule all in this world but that doesn't make it right or proper for us to continue letting it dictate our policies.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I have no idea what that means, but it sounds kinky. 313

Shitting is not kinky. In fact it's called "skat". But all you need do is look at the rest of what I've said. It's pretty close to the top.

Originally posted by Devil King
Shitting is not kinky. In fact it's called "skat". But all you need do is look at the rest of what I've said. It's pretty close to the top.

Guys, this isn't the off-topic forum. Here you have to stick to the topic.

why has a thread about what is socially wrong with the UK been merged with one about Canada?

i dont get it
thats just going to create a muddled thread with countries with different social problems beng discussed

i hear its because of similar "what is wrong with france ?"etc threads
with this reasoning why dont you go and merge the Harry Potter thread with the LOTR thread because they both have wizards in them?

Originally posted by Starhawk
Guys, this isn't the off-topic forum. Here you have to stick to the topic.

Whats wrong with America?

The ''American Exeptionalism''.

Other things wrong with America are also wrong with other countries, just in different degrees, but yeah, amongst those, we can point out, media driven culture, helth acess for poor...etc.