What do you believe is socially wrong with these Nations? [Merged]

Originally posted by Starhawk
And that can and should change.

And how would you like to make that happen?

Originally posted by Devil King
And how would you like to make that happen?

LOL have you read over the thread? I believe it should be covered through taxes.

It is dispute that people whom contribute to the welfare of the state should receive health care. Those that don't contribute to the commonwealth should not get free health care.

Ponder that one for a minute.

the solution doesnt come in such a neat package

Originally posted by Starhawk
LOL have you read over the thread? I believe it should be covered through taxes.

So how do you make it happen? Through charity? The way it's done now in America?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
It is dispute that people whom contribute to the welfare of the state should receive health care. Those that don't contribute to the commonwealth should not get free health care.

Ponder that one for a minute.

Yes they should, it's a matter of social and moral responsibility.

Your saying how much money a person has determines their right to life and health.

Originally posted by Devil King
So how do you make it happen? Through charity? The way it's done now in America?

As I said, tax revenue.

Originally posted by Devil King
So how do you make it happen? Through charity? The way it's done now in America?

Sorry, I thought you said "shouldn't", when I knew you'd said so before.

Okay, so you're all for socialized medicine. But how do you get the equitable treatment? You seem to think it's possible.

Originally posted by Devil King
Sorry, I thought you said "shouldn't", when I knew you'd said so before.

Okay, so you're all for socialized medicine. But how do you get the equitable treatment? You seem to think it's possible.

By making sure that everyone gets the same level of treatment, testing and access to medications and physical care.

Originally posted by Starhawk
By making sure that everyone gets the same level of treatment, testing and access to medications and physical care.

Yeah, right. I get that. But how? How do you intend to do it? With your earlier notion of moral and social responsability? If there's anything the human race has repeatedly demonstrated, it's that it doesn't give two shits about those concepts.

Originally posted by Devil King
Yeah, right. I get that. But how? How do you intend to do it? With your earlier notion of moral and social responsability? If there's anything the human race has repeatedly demonstrated, it's that it doesn't give two shits about those concepts.

That is why the government would have to regulate it.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Yes they should, it's a matter of social and moral responsibility.

Your saying how much money a person has determines their right to life and health.

Money is what keeps the commonwealth running....how are you going to keep the commonwealth running base on pure charity?

Those that don't provide will take and not provide back? Where is the moral responsibility there?

Originally posted by Starhawk
That is why the government would have to regulate it.

pinko

Originally posted by inimalist
pinko

fascist

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Money is what keeps the commonwealth running....how are you going to keep the commonwealth running base on pure charity?

Those that don't provide will take and not provide back? Where is the moral responsibility there?

Charity is something you give willingly. Taxes are different. It should be run on taxes and not charity.

Not all of them CAN provide back, disabled people and mentally impaired are a prime example, it doesn't mean they deserve less of a quality of health care or a right to live.

Originally posted by Starhawk
fascist

notice that I am a fascist because I oppose any sort of state intervention

the proper ad hominem would be anarchist, but I guess that would involve you understanding my position 😉

Originally posted by Starhawk
That is why the government would have to regulate it.

And what happens in a country where the insurance and healthcare industries are running the government?

The whole damn country knows that socialized medicine is a completely viable option. But that isn't going to happen as long as the insurance lobbies are controling the law and the government that implements them.

It's illegal not to have automobile insurance in the United States of America. It is not illegal not to have health insurance. It's illegal to buy or sell marijuana. It is not illegal to sell or manufacture Ambien.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Excuse me, I have as much right to post my opinion on here as you do.

And I was asked to criticize it, perhaps you should read the title of the thread again.

Originally posted by inimalist
notice that I am a fascist because I oppose any sort of state intervention

the proper ad hominem would be anarchist, but I guess that would involve you understanding my position 😉

It's about as relevant as you referring to me as a communist simply because I don't think a person has to suffer or die simply because they aren't rich.

Originally posted by Devil King
And what happens in a country where the insurance and healthcare industries [b]are running the government?

The whole damn country knows that socialized medicine is a completely viable option. But that isn't going to happen as long as the insurance lobbies are controling the law and the government that implements them.

It's illegal not to have automobile insurance in the United States of America. It is not illegal not to have health insurance. It's illegal to buy or sell marijuana. It is not illegal to sell or manufacture Ambien. [/B]

Yes changes need to be made.