Cartoon Rogue vs Cartoon Venom

Originally posted by Newjak
Its PIS because for one thing Venom's punches really shouldn't move Cain to begin with. When he has taken Spierman trying his hardest to trip Cain to no avail.

Or when he took a shot from Rouge that shattered every window on the block. Venom's ticky tacky punches shouldn't have even registered with Cain.

Its PIS for another reason because why did Cain even run away at all much less like a scared baby. Cain doesn't run from a fight especially when someone is vastly weaker then him.

Juggernaut's been knocked back by punches much weaker than Venom's. Juggernaut is only unstopable once he starts moving. This is all about weight. Venom can destroy a TANK with a punch and Juggernaut weights MUCH less than that.

Juggernaut ran away for obvious reasons.
1. He wasn't paid enough to fight someone like Venom and
2. Even though Venom's weaker he's also MUCH MUCH faster. Juggs wouldn't be able to land a punch on Venom so if he stayed he would've been tossed around more. He would've been wasting his time and get embarrassed. No wonder he ran away.

Originally posted by Sam Z
In cartoon Venom took down Shocker and Rhino at the same time.

Right, because beating perhaps the biggest losers of Spiderman's Rogue gallery is a good feat...

Originally posted by Sam Z
Beat the crap outta Spider-man and War machine at the same time.

War Machine was blasting around Venom and would have killed him with his sonic weapon. Dormammu had to send Carnage in to help him...

Originally posted by Sam Z
almost killed both Ironman and Spider-man at the same time.

Almost killed Iron Man? When was that?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Right, because beating perhaps the biggest losers of Spiderman's Rogue gallery is a good feat...

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

War Machine was blasting around Venom and would have killed him with his sonic weapon. Dormammu had to send Carnage in to help him...

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

Almost killed Iron Man? When was that?

Originally posted by Sam Z
Spider-man was getting trashed by those losers, so yes a good feat.

Spider-Man easily took care of Rhino first, and then Shocker surprised attacked him. Spider-Man would also easily take care of Shocker in later episodes.

Heck, in one episode Spider-Man manage to defeat the entire Sinister Six without his powers.

Originally posted by Sam Z
In the next episode. He KOed Spider-man and then Ironman and was about to squash him when Dr. Kafka interfered.

And Venom would have been able to destroy Iron Man's armor?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Spider-Man easily took care of Rhino first, and then Shocker surprised attacked him. Spider-Man would also easily take care of Shocker in later episodes.

Heck, in one episode Spider-Man manage to defeat the entire Sinister Six without his powers.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

And Venom would have been able to destroy Iron Man's armor?

Originally posted by Sam Z
Juggernaut's been knocked back by punches much weaker than Venom's. Juggernaut is only unstopable once he starts moving. This is all about weight. Venom can destroy a TANK with a punch and Juggernaut weights MUCH less than that.

Juggernaut ran away for obvious reasons.
1. He wasn't paid enough to fight someone like Venom and
2. Even though Venom's weaker he's also MUCH MUCH faster. Juggs wouldn't be able to land a punch on Venom so if he stayed he would've been tossed around more. He would've been wasting his time and get embarrassed. No wonder he ran away.

And yes he has been punched around a bit but generally by not anyone under 100 tons. Juggernaut had a gas tanker driven directly into while not moving at all. Beast has jumped straight into Cain only to bounce off.

And Colossus can destroy a tank with a punch and he barely effects Cain with his Punches.

The last part is the only one that makes sense somewhat. Cain propably wasn't getting payed enough but in the end that doesn't matter. Venom may be faster but so was Spiderman and that didn't bother Cain at all. Infact if Venom had gotten Juggernaut angry Cain would have kept coming after him until Venom pretty much was exausted. Cain doesn't need to eat sleep and he doesn't tire. Can Venom say the saemthing.

Jack flag wins

Originally posted by Sam Z
He was never able to defeat Shocker and Rhino at the same time. They almost killed him, Venom took them down within seconds.

You're making it sound like Shocker and Rhino kicked his ass.

Like I said before, He first took easily care of Rhino, who rammed into a wall and got stuck. Then Shocker came out of nowhere and surprised attacked him and Spider-Man was knocked into a J. Jonah Jameson sign, which he got trapped beneath.

Spider-Man didn't actually fight them.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Yep, in cartoon he would have. It was pretty clear. He almost killed him.

Please, Iron Man has taken on far deadlier things than Venom back in his own cartoon.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I agree cartoon Rogue loses, but what exactly would comic Venom do to classic comic Rogue. And preemptively, I'm assuming you're going to bring up that early example of Sabretooth beating Rogue. There are more examples of her durability being much better than that.

Originally posted by jinzin
send tenticles down her orrifaces...?

Sexy. But in terms of travel speed she's pretty fast and has flight... so I don't see why she wouldn't avoid that. Assuming of course contact with her wouldn't harm him.

Originally posted by jinzin
send tenticles down her orrifaces...?

droolio

Oh right . . . thats not supposed to be a turn on.

Originally posted by Newjak
Um the Rouge punch was when he was standing still 😕

And yes he has been punched around a bit but generally by not anyone under 100 tons. Juggernaut had a gas tanker driven directly into while not moving at all. Beast has jumped straight into Cain only to bounce off.

And Colossus can destroy a tank with a punch and he barely effects Cain with his Punches.

Originally posted by Newjak

The last part is the only one that makes sense somewhat. Cain propably wasn't getting payed enough but in the end that doesn't matter. Venom may be faster but so was Spiderman and that didn't bother Cain at all. Infact if Venom had gotten Juggernaut angry Cain would have kept coming after him until Venom pretty much was exausted. Cain doesn't need to eat sleep and he doesn't tire. Can Venom say the saemthing.

The juggernaut and venom fight was clearly pis. War Hulk couldnt hardly move juggernaut, cannonball bounced off of the mans arm. Xforce couldnt even stop the juggernaut or make him stop laughing. Do I need to continue.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Colossus doesn't effect Cain with punches at all, because Cain can't be hurt. But he can be MOVED though and he has many times and it doesn't require class 100 strength. Besides CLASS doesn't always determine power if punches. Say Spider-man can take some punches from Rhino but Venom oneshoted him more than on one ocasion. So I don't think there's something wrong with the fight.

If we talk about the madness fight, then yeah Juggs wasn't getting payed enough but that's not the only reason. Venom might not have limitless stamina but he has speed that allows him to chase and CATCH bullets AFTER they are fired. Can Juggs say the same thing?
So even if Juggernaut tried to he wouldn't be able to lay a hand on Venom, that's also the reason why he left. Besides even if Juggernaut kept coming Venom wouldn't tire. He can easilly turn invicible and rest somewhere on the nearest wall to regain strength.

You must didnt see the 1st fight they got into before the host got inside of the symbiote. Juggernaut thrashed venom and almost killed him. Venom was helpless until some new host got into his body bringing him back. EVERY ONE of juggernaut punches got in so venom must not be that fast.

Juggernaut that is written to his full capability should be able to laugh at any attack that venom dish out, hell, juggernaut can just lay down and let venom punch at him without feeling or registering his punches. Juggernaut has taken on the entire team of xmen, took on xforce, beat the hell out of hulk, knocking him out, beat the hell out of thor, took rogue 50 ton punch without even flinching, took on the excaliber knocking them all out, got skinned all the way to the bone and still broke a kneck while smiling, do i need to keep going.

Venom is a ant compared to juggernaut. Juggernaut>>>>>>>>>>>>>>venom

Originally posted by carver9
You must didnt see the 1st fight they got into before the host got inside of the symbiote. Juggernaut thrashed venom and almost killed him. Venom was helpless until some new host got into his body bringing him back. EVERY ONE of juggernaut punches got in so venom must not be that fast.

Juggernaut that is written to his full capability should be able to laugh at any attack that venom dish out, hell, juggernaut can just lay down and let venom punch at him without feeling or registering his punches. Juggernaut has taken on the entire team of xmen, took on xforce, beat the hell out of hulk, knocking him out, beat the hell out of thor, took rogue 50 ton punch without even flinching, took on the excaliber knocking them all out, got skinned all the way to the bone and still broke a kneck while smiling, do i need to keep going.

Venom is a ant compared to juggernaut. Juggernaut>>>>>>>>>>>>>>venom

It seems to me that you ONLY read the first fight. Venom took dozens hits from Juggernaut but kept laughing at him to the point when Juggernaut tossed him into the toxins. Venom was getting hit a lot, but that's because he didn't use his speed advantage and was distracted by the madness virus calling him.
And your Hulk example makes no sense here. Venom didn't STOP Juggernaut. He punched him while he was standing. Juggernaut is unstopable but not unmovable. And he has been moved before. And there's nothing wrong with that.
As for their further fights Juggernaut couldn't lay a hand on Venom because Eddie used his speed.
No need to list Juggernaut's feats to me, I like the character and know what he's capable of. And I'm not comparing Venom to Juggernaut in general.
But Venom's speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Juggernaut's speed. And he did something class 80 Rhino was never able to do. KO and almost kill Spider-man with a single punch, so there's noting wrong with him moving Juggernaut with punches. And speed makes it impossible for Juggernaut to hit him.
So if we are talking about the Madness fights. Nope, there's nothing wrong with them, and it's not CIS nor PIS.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
The same Rogue who knocked down Gladiator, when Juggernaut couldn't even flinch him?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Um, what?

Venom didn't kick the crap out of War Machine, it was War Machine who would have possibly killed Venom with his sonic weaponry if it weren't for Carnage...

And I don't know where you got that Iron Man thing from...

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Rhino and Shocker? Is that suppose to be impressive?

More impressive than nearly getting his ass handed to him by avelanche. 😬

Originally posted by Sam Z
Spider-man was getting trashed by those losers, so yes a good feat.

Riiiight. First Venom knocked out warmachine then was strangling Spider-man near a wall, the only reason Venom didn't kill WM is because he was more interested in Spider-man. And when Venom was about to kill Spider warmachine woke up and attacked him with sonics from the back. So yeah, untill that sneak attack Venom was pretty much owning them both.
In the next episode. He KOed Spider-man and then Ironman and was about to squash him when Dr. Kafka interfered.

DAMN STRAIGHT! 😠

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sexy. But in terms of travel speed she's pretty fast and has flight... so I don't see why she wouldn't avoid that. Assuming of course contact with her wouldn't harm him.

if sentinal tendrils are fast enough to grab her you really think venom's wouldn't be?

Originally posted by jinzin
okay did you even WATCH the cartoon?

Yes...

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Venom%2BReturns/video/x1qtup_spiderman-tas-venom-returns

Originally posted by jinzin
More impressive than nearly getting his ass handed to him by avelanche. 😬

Rogue defeated them two times in one episode...