Cartoon Rogue vs Cartoon Venom

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
You're making it sound like Shocker and Rhino kicked his ass.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

Like I said before, He first took easily care of Rhino, who rammed into a wall and got stuck. Then Shocker came out of nowhere and surprised attacked him and Spider-Man was knocked into a J. Jonah Jameson sign, which he got trapped beneath.

Spider-Man didn't actually fight them.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

Please, Iron Man has taken on far deadlier things than Venom back in his own cartoon.

Originally posted by Sam Z
He only dodged Rhino's attack and Rhino ran into that wall. After shocker appeared it only took Rhino 2 seconds to free himself, so Spider-man didn't beat him. Spider-man fought Rhino before and the "loser" actually beat him with ease and the only thing that kept him from killing him was Kingpins order.

His first encounter with Rhino was dumb.

Spider-Man just stood talking and practically "let" Rhino knock him down.

*Rhino begins running to ram into Spider-Man*

Spider-Man: Just who are you anyway?

*Rhino knocks him down*

Spider-Man also nearly killed Rhino later on in the same episode, as well Shocker in the next one....

Originally posted by Sam Z
You want me to post a link for the episode or something? This just happened. Venom trashed both Spider and Tony.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Spiderman%2BTAS%2BCarnage/video/x1qtz8_spiderman-tas-carnage

He thrashed Spider-Man, but he wasn't thrashing Iron Man...

Originally posted by Sam Z
It seems to me that you ONLY read the first fight. Venom took dozens hits from Juggernaut but kept laughing at him to the point when Juggernaut tossed him into the toxins. Venom was getting hit a lot, but that's because he didn't use his speed advantage and was distracted by the madness virus calling him.
And your Hulk example makes no sense here. Venom didn't STOP Juggernaut. He punched him while he was standing. Juggernaut is unstopable but not unmovable. And he has been moved before. And there's nothing wrong with that.
As for their further fights Juggernaut couldn't lay a hand on Venom because Eddie used his speed.
No need to list Juggernaut's feats to me, I like the character and know what he's capable of. And I'm not comparing Venom to Juggernaut in general.
But Venom's speed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Juggernaut's speed. And he did something class 80 Rhino was never able to do. KO and almost kill Spider-man with a single punch, so there's noting wrong with him moving Juggernaut with punches. And speed makes it impossible for Juggernaut to hit him.
So if we are talking about the Madness fights. Nope, there's nothing wrong with them, and it's not CIS nor PIS.

YOu see I think that is what you are neglecting in that entire fight. Venom maybe faster and more agile but he doesn't have unlimited stamina and he can't hurt Cain.

I doubt you truley know what Cain would do to win the fight. He wouldn't just keep punching randomly.

He would cause the iulding to catch on fire so Venom would be screwed if he got Cain angry enough he would do a Thunderclap and Venom is down.

Seriously Venom has no chance his punches shouldn't even effect Cain as Cain has taken blows from Thor without budginh.

skin contact ends this

Archangel>>>>>>>>>>>>Venom

skin to skin contact tore Apocalypses programming asunder and darn near killed Angel if She hadn't released him.

Rogue f.t.w.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
His first encounter with Rhino was dumb.

Spider-Man just stood talking and practically "let" Rhino knock him down.

*Rhino begins running to ram into Spider-Man*

Spider-Man: Just who are you anyway?

*Rhino knocks him down*

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

Spider-Man also nearly killed Rhino later on in the same episode, as well Shocker in the next one....

The fact is that Rhino and Shocker almost killed Spider, then Venom arrived and beat them within seconds.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Spiderman%2BTAS%2BCarnage/video/x1qtz8_spiderman-tas-carnage

He thrashed Spider-Man, but he wasn't thrashing Iron Man...

So droping Ironman on the ground and knocking him out in the process and prepearing to make the finishing blow but being interupted by Kafka doesn't count as beating him?

Venom took down Rhino and Shocker at the same time.
Almost killed Spider-man and Warmachine at the same time.
Almost killed Spider-man and Ironman at the same time.
Kicked Carnage's butt.

And the guy only appeared in 3 episodes.

Originally posted by Newjak
Thunderclap which Cain has done before for the win.

YOu see I think that is what you are neglecting in that entire fight. Venom maybe faster and more agile but he doesn't have unlimited stamina and he can't hurt Cain.

I doubt you truley know what Cain would do to win the fight. He wouldn't just keep punching randomly.

He would cause the iulding to catch on fire so Venom would be screwed if he got Cain angry enough he would do a Thunderclap and Venom is down.

Seriously Venom has no chance his punches shouldn't even effect Cain as Cain has taken blows from Thor without budginh.

Again, I never said that Venom can EFFECT or HURT Juggernaut.
I was talking about The Madness fights. Juggernaut didn't know about weakness to sound and he didn't use it. In general all 3 fights make perfect sense.
If you're talking about the vs forum fight then it's still a stalemate. Venom can't hurt Juggs. Juggs can't lay a hand on Venom.
Venom doesn't require sleep, food or water and he may not have unlimited stamina, but he doesn't need it since he can always camouflage himself and rest. So yeah, stalemate.

Thunderclap is the only Juggernaut's option and even then it won't be that easy. Hulk had to thunderclap Venom twice in his face to knock him of ballance. And even then Brock kept struggling and that was long time ago, since then his resistance to sonics vastly increased.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Wrong. Rhino charged, Spider-man dodged. Then Rhino attacked again and hit him. Don't make it sound as if it was unexpected attack.

I'm not. I'm saying it was a terrible fight.

Spider-Man just stood there TALKING while Rhino proceeded to attack him. Spider-Man didn't dodge or anything.

Originally posted by Sam Z
Yeah, and he was enhanced with the symbiote. Rhino even commented that Spider-man wasn't capable of that before.

How would Rhino know his strength level?

Originally posted by Sam Z
In the next episode Symbiote Spider did almost kill Shocker but in the beginning of the episode Shocker droped a wall on Spider-man and left cause he thought Peter was dead. So it's 1:1.

And? Spider-Man has had walls dropped on him before in other episodes, and he has survived it.

Originally posted by Sam Z
The fact is that Rhino and Shocker almost killed Spider, then Venom arrived and beat them within seconds.

Stop mentioning Rhino. He didn't do a squat in that fight.

Shocker was the one who would have seemingly killed Spider-Man.

In a REAL straight up fight, Spider-Man would likely beat them just as easily Venom did. Again, the only reason Shocker almost killed Spider-Man was because he got trapped beneath the Jameson sign.

Originally posted by Sam Z So droping Ironman on the ground and knocking him out in the process and prepearing to make the finishing blow but being interupted by Kafka doesn't count as beating him?

So, the weakness to Iron Man's armor is the hard ground? 🙄

Really, that was PIS. Iron Man shouldn't have been knocked out, and neither would Venom have killed him. Iron Man has taken on worse.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
I'm not. I'm saying it was a terrible fight.

Spider-Man just stood there TALKING while Rhino proceeded to attack him. Spider-Man didn't dodge or anything.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

How would Rhino know his strength level?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

And? Spider-Man has had walls dropped on him before in other episodes, and he has survived it.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

Stop mentioning Rhino. He didn't do a squat in that fight.

Shocker was the one who would have seemingly killed Spider-Man.

In a REAL straight up fight, Spider-Man would likely beat them just as easily Venom did.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

Again, the only reason Shocker almost killed Spider-Man was because he got trapped beneath the Jameson sign.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

So, the weakness to Iron Man's armor is the hard ground? 🙄

Really, that was PIS. Iron Man shouldn't have been knocked out, and neither would Venom have killed him. Iron Man has taken on worse.

Venom! he was a wrecking machine, he would run over that poor incarnation of rogue. ;_; poor girl.

Originally posted by Sam Z
He faced him so he knows what he's capable of.

Not really. Spider-Man didn't do anything to Rhino in their first encounter besides dodging his attacks.

Originally posted by Sam Z
And that only mean that Shocker won. He only left because he thought Spider-man was dead. He could've stayed and finished him.

Spider-Man wasn't defeated, so Shocker didn't win anything.

Originally posted by Sam Z
in a REAL straight up fight Spider-man couldn't handle Rhino alone.

And yet, that's what Spider-Man was doing before Shocker attacked him...

Spider-Man outsmarts Rhino as usual...

Originally posted by Sam Z
he only beat shocker when he had the symbiote.

You mean he can't do it without it?

Spider-Man beat him several times later on in the cartoon.

Originally posted by Sam Z
We are talking about cartoon here, not comics.

And I'm talking about the Iron Man cartoon....

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Not really. Spider-Man didn't do anything to Rhino in their first encounter besides dodging his attacks.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

Spider-Man wasn't defeated, so Shocker didn't win anything.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

And yet, that's what Spider-Man was doing before Shocker attacked him...

Spider-Man outsmarts Rhino as usual...

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

You mean he can't do it without it?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

Spider-Man beat him several times later on in the cartoon.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

And I'm talking about the Iron Man cartoon....

Originally posted by Sam Z
He WAS defeated. Shocker droped a wall on him and Spider-man couldn't do anything about it and couldn't fight back. Shocker just left.

Uh? Spider-Man got right up, and followed Shocker to Smythe's hideout.

Originally posted by Sam Z
And this time all he could do was making rhino run into the wall and even then it only took him 2 seconds to free himself.

Uhm, it didn't take him 2 seconds to free himself. Rhino was stuck off screen, and we don't know how long until we see him next to Shocker when he was ready to blast Spider-Man as he was trapped beneath the sign.

Originally posted by Sam Z
He could. But he obviously couldn't handle both Rhino and Shocker at the same time, which Venom did effortlessly.

Spider-Man did NOT go up against both Rhino and Shocker at the same time.

Rhino first attacked him, and he got temporarily stuck to a wall.

Then Shocker appeared out of nowhere and blasted Spider-Man into a Jameson sign, which Spider-Man got stuck under.

Spider-Man would also fight Rhino and Shocker along with the Insidious Six...

Originally posted by Sam Z
Not really. He once dropped him out of the window but it was Rhino who broke his suit, not Spider.

In future episodes Spider-Man easily took care of the Shocker.

Spider-Man also has enough superhuman strength to knock the Shocker out.

Originally posted by Sam Z
I only watched few episodes of it, so I can't claim anything. But if they made Venom capable of beating IM then we can't aergue that, can we?

We'll I guess we might well say the same thing about comics...

Originally posted by Sam Z
don't forget that it was 80's show. Tony's armor wasn't as good in the books as it is now.

90's

And Tony's armor withstood a great deal of attacks in it. Only the Hulk was capable of actually destroying his armor, you think Venom could?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Yes...

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Venom%2BReturns/video/x1qtup_spiderman-tas-venom-returns

Rogue defeated them two times in one episode...

yeah I'm not sure what that link was attempting to prove other than EXACTLY what Z already described. 😐

Originally posted by Sam Z
Wrong. Rhino charged, Spider-man dodged. Then Rhino attacked again and hit him. Don't make it sound as if it was unexpected attack.
Yeah, and he was enhanced with the symbiote. Rhino even commented that Spider-man wasn't capable of that before.
In the next episode Symbiote Spider did almost kill Shocker but in the beginning of the episode Shocker droped a wall on Spider-man and left cause he thought Peter was dead. So it's 1:1.

The fact is that Rhino and Shocker almost killed Spider, then Venom arrived and beat them within seconds.

So droping Ironman on the ground and knocking him out in the process and prepearing to make the finishing blow but being interupted by Kafka doesn't count as beating him?

Venom took down Rhino and Shocker at the same time.
Almost killed Spider-man and Warmachine at the same time.
Almost killed Spider-man and Ironman at the same time.
Kicked Carnage's butt.

And the guy only appeared in 3 episodes.

😆

punk

Stop wanking, please.

wanking?

please don't fantisize about me.... 😘

the fact is you were flat out wrong and Z was 100% correct.. I agree with him because.. you know.... he uses facts. 😕

Originally posted by jinzin
the fact is you were flat out wrong and Z was 100% correct.. I agree with him because.. you know.... he uses facts. 😕

🙄

He's not 100% correct, he's exaggerating most stuff.

We don't know how the the War Machine, Spider-Man and Venom fight transpired. The whole fight was off screen, and because we see Spider-Man on the wall webbed and War Machine on the floor for a second, Venom supposable almost killed them, while it was War Machine who would have killed Venom with his sonic weapon, not to mention that we first saw War Machine blasting around Venom like a ragdoll.

Originally posted by jinzin
if sentinal tendrils are fast enough to grab her you really think venom's wouldn't be?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Comic Rogue could survive in a vacuum. 313

Touché.