Cartoon Rogue vs Cartoon Venom

Started by jinzin6 pages

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
🙄

He's not 100% correct, he's exaggerating most stuff.


you wish. 😐

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
We don't know how the the War Machine, Spider-Man and Venom fight transpired. The whole fight was off screen, and because we see Spider-Man on the wall webbed and War Machine on the floor for a second, Venom supposable almost killed them, while it was War Machine who would have killed Venom with his sonic weapon, not to mention that we first saw War Machine blasting around Venom like a ragdoll.
yeah he was blasting venom around.. and venom got up.. again and again and again... judging by the way that spiderman was webbed up and war machine was on the ground writhing.. it's safe to say that venom was kicking both their asses...

hell if it weren't for the fact that peter knew about the sonics WM probably wouldn't have thought to use them anyway...

in any case.. that video doesn't set up a case for war machine beating venom as you described..

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Comic Rogue could survive in a vacuum. 313
could she survive having her bloodstream stopped?

see it's not so much suffication but an attack by a symbiote on a microscopic level.. supes can survive space.. even he didn't enjoy the tendrils though..

Rogue not only has she strength advantage and speed. But let's not forget here Mutant ability. One touch, and she will absorb Venom's life force.

Rogue wins this.

Originally posted by jinzin
you wish. 😐

Sam Z fanboy. 😐

313

Originally posted by jinzin
judging by the way that spiderman was webbed up and war machine was on the ground writhing.. it's safe to say that venom was kicking both their asses...

Right, because we saw more of War Machine kicking Venom's ass more than what Venom did to War Machine...

Not to mention that we saw War Machine and Spider-Man counteract everything Venom was throwing at them...

Originally posted by jinzin
who didn't?

Wolverine ripped jugg's helmet off.
colossus stalemated him...
hell gladiator tossed him accross the atlantic
spiderman whooped up on him too
that means nothing!

rofl when Gladiator flew in from space, and then proceeded to throw juggs across the ocean.

Originally posted by jinzin
could she survive having her bloodstream stopped?

see it's not so much suffication but an attack by a symbiote on a microscopic level.. supes can survive space.. even he didn't enjoy the tendrils though..

ermmnone

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Right, because we saw more of War Machine kicking Venom's ass more than what Venom did to War Machine...

All we saw was WM blasting Venom with no visible damage. And Spider-man dodging few attacks. In the end WM was koed and Spider-man webbed up to the wall helpless.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Uh? Spider-Man got right up, and followed Shocker to Smythe's hideout.
Yeah, after Shocker left. While Spider-man was "resting" under the bricks Shocker could've droped another building on him, or blast him 10 times. But he chose to live because he thought Spider-man was dead. Sounds like a victory to me.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

Uhm, it didn't take him 2 seconds to free himself. Rhino was stuck off screen, and we don't know how long until we see him next to Shocker when he was ready to blast Spider-Man as he was trapped beneath the sign.
Actually we do know how long it took him. When shocker appeared Rhino was still in the wall, shocker blasted Spider-man into sign and the next second we see Rhino standing next to Shocker. Ok you win, it took him 3 seconds. You call that a victory?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

Spider-Man did NOT go up against both Rhino and Shocker at the same time.

Rhino first attacked him, and he got temporarily stuck to a wall.

Then Shocker appeared out of nowhere and blasted Spider-Man into a Jameson sign, which Spider-Man got stuck under.

Which means that Shocker beat him, thanks to Rhino's distraction. So technically he did fight them both. And got beaten, Venom took'em out easilly.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash

Spider-Man would also fight Rhino and Shocker along with the Insidious Six...
In future episodes Spider-Man easily took care of the Shocker.
Try to be more exact because as a kid I recorded all the episodes and these old tapes are still dusting somewhere under my table. And Spider-man never beat or koed Shocker in future episodes. Faced him couple of times among other memebers of the six, but never beat.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash

Spider-Man also has enough superhuman strength to knock the Shocker out.
I never argued that. He has enough strength to knock most of the marvel chars out.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

We'll I guess we might well say the same thing about comics...
I don't think so. Cartoon Venom appeared only 3 times and was never beaten or koed. Only with sound. That's the way he is in the cartoon. So it's not PIS.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

90's
ok my bad.
Originally posted by Evil_Ash

And Tony's armor withstood a great deal of attacks in it. Only the Hulk was capable of actually destroying his armor, you think Venom could?
He knocked him out, isn't that enough? He also knocked out warmachine, and everyone else he faced in the toon. That just happened.

And I'm exaggerating what? I only say what I saw in the toon.
War machine was uncouncious when Venom was about to kill Spider-man. Which means Venom beat them. So they had to hit him with sonics from the back. Kafka stopped Venom from finishing Ironman after Eddie KOed him. I'm not exaggerating anything.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash

Sam Z fanboy. 😐


Actually it's the other way around.
I joined the forum after I read Jinzin's post in Venom vs Carnage thread 😄

Originally posted by jinzin
😆

punk


😎

Originally posted by jinzin
the same rogue who got dropped by omega red?

the same venom of kicked the crap out of war machine and iron man.. AND shocker AND RHINO AND at the same time?!?!??!?!

Venom for the win.

I agree, Rogue had some extremely weak moments in that series though she was my favorite character Omega Red and some other chumps made her look like a rookie. Ms Marvel must have been pissed when she saw this. One thing that confused me was when Rogue took on Gladiator in the Pheonix saga it was like she got a boost or he lost some of his strength, beacauase I am sure that was the same Gladiator who threw Juggernaut across the ocean like a Bi***, and Rogue was nowhere near Jugg'y level.

Oh Yeah sorry Venom for ftw 😄

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Rogue not only has she strength advantage and speed. But let's not forget here Mutant ability. One touch, and she will absorb Venom's life force.

strength advantage can't be proven... venom's easily within the 50 ton strength class in the toon. maybe more having toyed with rhino physically.

speed in combat can't be proven...

and you can't even prove that rogues touch can hurt the symbiote.. considering the properties of the symbiote to adapt to organics.. it's likely she can not.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Rogue wins this.

it would appear that you're one of the only people who thinks so... 🙄

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Sam Z fanboy. 😐
313
Originally posted by Sam Z
Actually it's the other way around.
I joined the forum after I read Jinzin's post in Venom vs Carnage thread 😄

LOL...

first off... that's badass sam.. I didn't know that...

second... you done being wrong yet ash?

.....guess not:

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Right, because we saw more of War Machine kicking Venom's ass more than what Venom did to War Machine...

So what?

does that mean when characters fight the hulk that they are "winning" when they land more punches then when he KO'es them with one shot?
that's ridiculous...
War machine was hitting venom with blasts more often sure... and it was accomplishing dick squat.... 😐

Point is at the end of the day we see war machine trying to shake off getting his ass kicked and venom only hurt when spiderman alluded to venom's sonic weakness...

also nice to see that you support the parts of the fight that bode well for war machine but when they bode well for venom it's "but we didn't see most of that fight, we don't know what happened blah blah blah".... copout... pfft.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Not to mention that we saw War Machine and Spider-Man counteract everything Venom was throwing at them...

War machine is on the ground writhing..
spiderman's webbed up to a wall... so clearly that wasn't the case. 😬

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
ermmnone
lol.. yeah... I know.

Originally posted by python99
I agree, Rogue had some extremely weak moments in that series though she was my favorite character Omega Red and some other chumps made her look like a rookie. Ms Marvel must have been pissed when she saw this. One thing that confused me was when Rogue took on Gladiator in the Pheonix saga it was like she got a boost or he lost some of his strength, beacauase I am sure that was the same Gladiator who threw Juggernaut across the ocean like a Bi***, and Rogue was nowhere near Jugg'y level.

Oh Yeah sorry Venom for ftw 😄

ehhh.. with a show like the x-men plot holes were a necessity.. in the comics gladiator knocked out the entire x-squad by hitting the floor.. obviously they couldn't do that in the toon or they wouldn't have had a way to resolve the conflict...

same thing happened with juggernaught vs. colossus.. colossus got a power boost for the ep to stand up to cain...

So we can take that either one of two ways... either rogue got empowered to uber extents or glads had to come down to her level... the latter is more believable consideirng a)the consistency of rogues appearances.. and b) the nature of gladiator's power.

Originally posted by jinzin
ehhh.. with a show like the x-men plot holes were a necessity.. in the comics gladiator knocked out the entire x-squad by hitting the floor.. obviously they couldn't do that in the toon or they wouldn't have had a way to resolve the conflict...

same thing happened with juggernaught vs. colossus.. colossus got a power boost for the ep to stand up to cain...

So we can take that either one of two ways... either rogue got empowered to uber extents or glads had to come down to her level... the latter is more believable consideirng a)the consistency of rogues appearances.. and b) the nature of gladiator's power.

Couldn't the same be said with venom?tongue12

difference being that rogue had a number of low showings that easily outstage her higher end showings while venom had NOTHING BUT high end showings...

how are ya by the way?

weren't we supposed to get married?

Originally posted by jinzin
difference being that rogue had a number of low showings that easily outstage her higher end showings while venom had NOTHING BUT high end showings...

how are ya by the way?

weren't we supposed to get married?

true and spiderman also beat the xmen in their own home.

I'm great. You?

Were we now?

since you said yes when i asked you to marry me... yeah i thought so....

>img:http://a17.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/26/l_7a36d37985846dbbd4980f920cb44a00.jpg<

this is for you.. lol

Originally posted by jinzin
since you said yes when i asked you to marry me... yeah i thought so....

>img:http://a17.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/26/l_7a36d37985846dbbd4980f920cb44a00.jpg<

this is for you.. lol

As much as I would love to see that hun i'm at work and myspace is blocked.😛

🙁

petpet

whats up?😛