6 billion people, 6 billion right interpretations of the Bible?

Originally posted by Robtard
JIA...

When you assume it was "poof" as instantaneous, you're interpreting it your own way as far as "time" is concerned.

I know that the Bible states,

2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in Your sight are like yesterday when it is past, and like a watch in the night.

I do not believe that God requires billions of years to do anything. He can take that long but I just don't buy that line of reasoning. As far as the Bible record reveals, everything came on the scene the moment God spoke it. There is no reason to assume otherwise. For example, if I tell you that I flicked the light switch on, and then the light came on afterwards, why would you think that that action took longer than it actually takes? Although I do not believe God required 24 hours to create, He nontheless gives us an idea of the time frame with respect to the amount of time that elapsed between each creative act.

Genesis 1:5
God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

Question, are days reckoned differently today than they were when God was in the process of creating? No, I do not believe so. The evening and the morning constitute a day. I believe that day (i.e. morning) and night (i.e. evening) are comprised of 12 hours each. So that means that one day equals 24 hours

In reference to time I believe that time with God is not as critical for Him as it is for us. God exists in a dimension where time does not exist. That dimension is governed by eternity.

Eternity is another attribute of God, it comes from Him. (I don't know that I have chapter and verse for that though so, do your own research). I just believe that all things come from somwhere even God (God is the Source of Himself).

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I don't know that I have chapter and verse for that though

Color me so suprised.

Originally posted by Devil King
I'm sure you think I'm getting angry. (well, actually I know you do, since you're telling me to calm down) But by not answering the question you only make yourself out to be the hypocritical person you've always been. You've been operating that way forever Whob.

So, which verse of the bible says In order for God to have created physical matter He must occupy a dimension that is not comprised of physical matter. ?

Understand it this way: God is a Spirit, then use a little deductive reasoning. Could the universe (which is composed of matter which is physical) come from a Source that is physical? No, because then matter would have created matter. There is no possible way that matter (which occupies a point on the space-time continuum) could come from matter. Case in point, chickens must precede eggs because eggs don't lay chickens. Well, similarly this universe could not have come from matter because the Bible states that God created it and God is a Spirit. Therefore, God exists outside of this physical, three-dimensional universe in order to be the Cause of it. So, my chapter and verse for what I have affirmed is John 4:24.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
John 4:24
God is a Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” [/B]

I'm sorry, I don't see where that literally states:In order for God to have created physical matter He must occupy a dimension that is not comprised of physical matter.

Well at the sub atomic level all matter is energy, including us. So, if a person wants to say the invisible energy could be considered spirit, then all things are already in the spirit. And this would make all things connected.

Hence, we are all part of god, so there is no need to bow to anything outside ourself.

Originally posted by Devil King
I'm sorry, I don't see where that literally states:In order for God to have created physical matter He must occupy a dimension that is not comprised of physical matter.

That is because you are trying to understand spiritual Truth/reality with your mind, but your spirit is not born again and your mind has not been exposed to the Word of God insofar that it has been able to attune you to spiritual things (i.e. the spiritual import of what I convey). You are like Nicodemus was when Jesus spoke to him about being born again. Nicodemus thought that Jesus was referring to literally being born again physically. But Jesus meant being born again spiritually.

John 3:1-9
1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

Jesus said that the words that He speaks are spirit (i.e. spiritual) and life (i.e. alive). Well, I will dovetail on that which Jesus spoke as it were in tandem with it: the words that I speak to you are spiritual and life Devil King. You must become born again so that you can grasp spiritual reality/Truth othwerwise things will never make any sense to you.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is because you are trying to understand spiritual Truth/reality with your mind, but your spirit is not born again and your mind has not been exposed to the Word of God insofar that it has been able to attune you to spiritual things (i.e. the spiritual import of what I convey). You are like Nicodemus was when Jesus spoke to him about being born again. Nicodemus thought that Jesus was referring to literally being born again physically. But Jesus meant being born again [B]spiritually.

John 3:1-9
1 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

Jesus said that the words that He speaks are spirit (i.e. spiritual) and life (i.e. alive). Well, I will dovetail on that which Jesus spoke as it were in tandem with it: the words that I speak to you are spiritual and life Devil King. You must become born again so that you can grasp spiritual reality/Truth othwerwise things will never make any sense to you. [/B]

No, what you're saying is that I have to drink the Kool-Aid to understand. Sorry, but I'm not going to do it. I don't have to be one of you to understand your logic, or lack there of. You have failed to reasonably explain why the bible is the literal word of god, but shouldn't be taken literally. You still walk up to women on their periods, you still refuse to stone to death your unruley child.

You want to make excuses for your right to interpret the bible, but it's wrong for anyone else, because we aren't "enlightened" enough. We don't get it, right? Well, that can't be the case.

You fail. You fail at every turn. Your argument and logic can not hold up to serious debate or scrutiny. The very man you claim to follow so closely (or religiously) would be agast to see your understanding of his own words or their meaning. You want the world to operate like it's 2000 years ago, as long as you and yours get to act like it's 2007. Sorry, it's not and you can't. We all get to live in the here and now. Who the hell are you to pretend that only the people you dislike are living in the past? You want to pretend that you're the most advanced mindset in the world, while telling the people who disagree that they live in teh past. You want to tell them that they're wrong because they support abortion and homosexuality, and that hte past is a prime example of the failure of such concepts. But I don't see either of those concepts not having changed in teh last 2000 years. Can you say the same?

LOL... First time I peeked in here since early afternoon and it's still JIA saying "my interpretation is the only interpretation" aka be Born Again.

Originally posted by Devil King
No, what you're saying is that I have to drink the Kool-Aid to understand. Sorry, but I'm not going to do it. I don't have to be one of you to understand your logic, or lack there of. You have failed to reasonably explain why the bible is the [b]literal word of god, but shouldn't be taken literally. You still walk up to women on their periods, you still refuse to stone to death your unruley child.

You want to make excuses for your right to interpret the bible, but it's wrong for anyone else, because we aren't "enlightened" enough. We don't get it, right? Well, that can't be the case.

You fail. You fail at every turn. Your argument and logic can not hold up to serious debate or scrutiny. The very man you claim to follow so closely (or religiously) would be agast to see your understanding of his own words or their meaning. You want the world to operate like it's 2000 years ago, as long as you and yours get to act like it's 2007. Sorry, it's not and you can't. We all get to live in the here and now. Who the hell are you to pretend that only the people you dislike are living in the past? You want to pretend that you're the most advanced mindset in the world, while telling the people who disagree that they live in teh past. You want to tell them that they're wrong because they support abortion and homosexuality, and that hte past is a prime example of the failure of such concepts. But I don't see either of those concepts not having changed in teh last 2000 years. Can you say the same? [/B]

Capt_Fantastic?!?

You sound like Capt_Fantastic. Did you change your user name so that you could traverse this site in-cog-nito and fly below the radar undetected? 🙄 Just kidding man. Lighten up. We are not diffusing a nuclear warhead. No need to be so acrimonious. Life is not all bad. I like your previous user name more than your present one, it is more upbeat. Why not spread some cheer and look on the bright side of things. Do you have a support system? People that you can talk to when you are feeling depressed?

Originally posted by Robtard
LOL... First time I peeked in here since early afternoon and it's still JIA saying "my interpretation is the only interpretation" aka be Born Again.

Actually, Robtard it was Jesus the Christ who coined the term "born again," I am just repeating it. Nevertheless, I will take the flack.

😄

EVERYTHING YOU WRITE FAILS.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
JIA is not whob. 🙄 Whob was a lot smarter. 😄

Originally posted by FeceMan
EVERYTHING YOU WRITE FAILS.

😂

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Capt_Fantastic?!?

You sound like Capt_Fantastic. Did you change your user name so that you could traverse this site in-cog-nito and fly below the radar undetected? 🙄 Just kidding man. Lighten up. We are not diffusing a nuclear warhead. No need to be so acrimonious. Life is not all bad. I like your previous user name more than your present one, it is more upbeat. Why not spread some cheer and look on the bright side of things. Do you have a support system? People that you can talk to when you are feeling depressed?

Why don't you actually answer his questions instead of avoiding them in condescending manner ? 😬

Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Why don't you actually answer his questions instead of avoiding them in condescending manner ? 😬

I want him to lighten up and not be so acrimonious and somber. Is life really that bad?

Originally posted by FeceMan
EVERYTHING YOU WRITE FAILS.

WRITE!

EVERYTHING FAILS YOU

Cool, did you see how I took your own words and changed them around to form another sentence? Pretty neat huh?

Relax FeceMan, don't be so bitter, no one is trying to win a Nobel or Pulitzer Prize here. Is that how serious you see this forum?

🙂 🙁 😄

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Capt_Fantastic?!?

You sound like Capt_Fantastic. Did you change your user name so that you could traverse this site in-cog-nito and fly below the radar undetected? 🙄 Just kidding man. Lighten up. We are not diffusing a nuclear warhead. No need to be so acrimonious. Life is not all bad. I like your previous user name more than your present one, it is more upbeat. Why not spread some cheer and look on the bright side of things. Do you have a support system? People that you can talk to when you are feeling depressed?

The feeling is mutual. I like most of your other user names too.

I'm sure attempting to insult me is a comfortable hiding place when your arguments fail and your beliefs are dismissed so easily.

On top of all that, everyone here knows who I am, despite the name change. I've had the same user name for four years. Unlike some people here, I don't create a new name everytime I walk past a new computer.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I want him to lighten up and not be so acrimonious and somber. Is life really that bad?

Lighten up? I'm not the one copy and pasting ad nauseum about everyone going to hell. No one would treat you like the nutbag you are (or are pretending to be) if you could say something without bringing up Jesus and hell.

Also, you seem to have forgotten to answer my question.

Which literal verse of the bibles states: In order for God to have created physical matter He must occupy a dimension that is not comprised of physical matter.

You can distract from the fact that you have no answer by pointing out the fact that I have a new user name. But, can you actually answer the question?

Originally posted by Devil King
The feeling is mutual. I like most of your other user names too.