phoenix force vs mad jim jaspers/fury vs pretcon beyonder

Originally posted by illadelph12
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Break them Beyonce pics out. Some Esther Baxter and Melyssa Ford pics too while you're at it. 😄

As for the fight, all Phoenix has is BFR as a possible tactic, and that's not even a proven course of action considering Fury's adaptations and ability to exist in the void. Timeline alteration likely won't work because many characters exist as a temporal paradox and Jaspers can rewrite the rules anyway.

Also, sort of an aside, and though this probably was never considered back in the old comic, but Jasper's shouldn't be powerless in a void because his presence in itself means their is reality to manipulate (his own being, and at that point, Fury's as well). Upon further logical analysis, that defeat makes no sense. Jaspers should have been able to pull a Tetsuo (for the Akira heads, word life) either on his own substance or Fury's, but it's really of no consequence. It doesn't effect this board battle.

Draw, and that glass crown has another crack in it.

Frankly, this post from Illa should have ended it. The fact that this is even a viable tactic, but not only that, IT'S EASILY WITHIN HIS POWERS, should say that Phoenix has no chance. 🙄

To which he replied:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Fury can exist in a void, but his Jaspers half is made redundant and there would be nothing to stop Phoenix from taking out Fury, in a flash once she removes him from reality. Fury on his own is no problem. He can be atomized or drained of energy. Either way it has no chance against the Force.

On top of that, theres nothing to say Jaspers would be a paradox. As far as we know thats not the case, it hasnt shown to be the case so time alteration is a possibility until the paradox theory is actually proven. On top of that Phoenix amputating the timeline and absorbing it into the WHR is also a possibility.

Irrelevant to the subject at hand. Nicely thought out tangent as ever. 🙂

The crown is as solid as ever. 😄

Now it really is bedtime!! 😱

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
To which he replied:

Now it really is bedtime!!

Sanctimonious babble.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Thought you came back with new stuff but it's still the same old tactics. Poor and unreadable scans when you drivel your opinions.

Your contradicting yourself. You posted scans of the Force from a story where it was drained and abused. If an alien ship and a team of B-class heroes can put a hurting on Phoenix Force, Fury and Jasper would stomp it six feet under.

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Xorn, KILLING Jean Grey with an Electro Magnetic Pulse,

and exploding the PHOENIX FORCE into BillionS of pieces:

(excerpt from the Official Handbook 2005)

On Panel verification:

This Phoenix ain't so tuff. 😏

Originally posted by illadelph12
Also, sort of an aside, and though this probably was never considered back in the old comic, but Jasper's shouldn't be powerless in a void because his presence in itself means their is reality to manipulate (his own being, and at that point, Fury's as well). Upon further logical analysis, that defeat makes no sense. Jaspers should have been able to pull a Tetsuo (for the Akira heads, word life) either on his own substance or Fury's, but it's really of no consequence. It doesn't effect this board battle.

I think that scene was meant to show that Jaspers' only apparent limitation was that he cannot create reality.

Basicly he can only manipulate what exists not create or destroy.

Fury was immune to Jaspers powers so there was nothing to work with there. Jaspers couldn't make a new universe since he had less than a universe to work with.

Jaspers power is manipluation on a seemingly unlimited level. He is limited by how much he has to work with when he has no universe to work with he is essentialy powerless.

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The FURY blasted Jaspers down to the skeletal form:

Jim Remakes himself in an instant:

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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think that scene was meant to show that Jaspers' only apparent limitation was that he cannot create reality.

Basicly he can only manipulate what exists not create or destroy.

Fury was immune to Jaspers powers so there was nothing to work with there. Jaspers couldn't make a new universe since he had less than a universe to work with.

Jaspers power is manipluation on a seemingly unlimited level. He is limited by how much he has to work with when he has no universe to work with he is essentialy powerless.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I wasn't calling you a sock dude,

we all know who the real Sock is, and he continues to be just that.

Now you on the other hand, are ... who are you? And what do you want?

This is a debate forum, mind your business and debate issues concerning Comics.

My beef with GS is our own, only a newb such as yourself would get in the way,
the rest of the pros know the deal, he insults me constantly and I'm not ashamed to say I do the same.

That's how we do, we debate and then war. 🙂

actually i never said you called ME a sock i said CALLING OTHERS IN GENERAL. A SOCKS is rude. by the way do you actually think i care if you throw meaningless insults around at me because i don't. and maybe you should take some time OFF THE COMPUTER and do a little growing up because as you clearly stated this is a debating forum so keep your business out of this thread and just maybe IF I FEEL LIKE IT i'll mind my business JACK.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
You are all wrong ...

1. Beyonder

2. Beyonder

3. Beyonder

4. Beyonder

5. Beyonder

6. Jim Jaspers

7. Phoenix

Yes ... It's really that much of an overkill.

i agree 😮‍💨

question? isn't jaspers as a being composed of matter and energy hence "a reality" in his own right much as anyperson or thing is "a reality" in itself? therefore bringing him to a place where reality doesn't exist should technically not work because he can manipulate the matter and reality of his body to produce anything even a complete universe since he is a reality warper.

if an object of reality is placed in a region of un-reality then it follows that reality now exists in that region

Originally posted by bloodoverme
question? isn't jaspers as a being composed of matter and energy hence "a reality" in his own right much as anyperson or thing is "a reality" in itself? therefore bringing him to a place where reality doesn't exist should technically not work because he can manipulate the matter and reality of his body to produce anything even a complete universe since he is a reality warper.

if an object of reality is placed in a region of un-reality then it follows that reality now exists in that region

It would seem that despit Jaspers' immense power he is incapable of initating a genesis event (otherwise he would have done so).

Since every character in Marvel I can think of that has created a universe has needed some special conditions (like the end of an old one) to do it the assumption that Jaspers would need one too isn't unreasonable.

It could also be assumed that Jaspers (being insane and technically still human) has no idea how to cause a genesis event using a limited amount of reality.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It would seem that despit Jaspers' immense power he is incapable of initating a genesis event (otherwise he would have done so).

Since every character in Marvel I can think of that has created a universe has needed some special conditions (like the end of an old one) to do it the assumption that Jaspers would need one too isn't unreasonable.

It could also be assumed that Jaspers (being insane and technically still human) has no idea how to cause a genesis event using a limited amount of reality.

Um...Beyonder takes this?

//end Bovious Statement Here//

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think that scene was meant to show that Jaspers' only apparent limitation was that he cannot create reality.

Basicly he can only manipulate what exists not create or destroy.

Fury was immune to Jaspers powers so there was nothing to work with there. Jaspers couldn't make a new universe since he had less than a universe to work with.

Jaspers power is manipluation on a seemingly unlimited level. He is limited by how much he has to work with when he has no universe to work with he is essentialy powerless.

and his manipualtion is not unlimited since he can't manipulate the Fury (maybe Fury is not made of ordinary matter but made of unmatter or 5D matter or who knows what 😄)

MJJ can only warp ordinary stuff

u mean well friend bumping a beyonder thread...but all they turn into a shouting fest

i am the king of bumps 😂

Originally posted by guy222
i am the king of bumps 😂

Beyonder.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
then Jasper is also immune to his own powers since he couldnt even manipulate himself (when he was in void)

and his manipualtion is not unlimited since he can't manipulate the Fury (maybe Fury is not made of ordinary matter but made of unmatter or 5D matter or who knows what 😄)

MJJ can only warp ordinary stuff

Good grief, not here to?

MJJ can warp anything he want at any levels except unspace and with the Fury he's completely indestructible, meaning Unspace won't work on this version.

Beyonder (Easily)

MJJ/Fury

PF

PR Beyonder >>>>>>>>>>>>> Marvel Omniverse

PR Beyonder blinks MJJ, Phoenix, and The Fury out of existence.