phoenix force vs mad jim jaspers/fury vs pretcon beyonder

This fight is between Jim Jasper/fury and Beyonder. I give it to JJ and fury

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Good grief, not here to?

MJJ can warp anything he want at any levels except unspace

now if you can show that MJJ could've warped the fury (say turned it into a pinch of salt) but didn't because he was holding back and was feeling suicidal or something, then it's a different story
lol

He did warp the Fury.

Pretcon Beyonder, takes the match.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
He did warp the Fury.

even if he did obvously it wasnt enough

a real warper would've turned fury into I dunno, a marshmallow. a pair of boxers. or a barbie doll. last time I check barbie dolls can't adapt (in fact they can't do anything since they're just objects)

Last time we had this discussion over on Marvel you claimed to have read it all and remembered it all.

Well, you obviously didn't remember this:

Jaspers warps Fury with a gesture of his hand. It says: "A month ago, the transformation would've killed it."

Remember, Fury had survived universal nullification at that point, it would take more than a simple warp to kill it.

yeah I remember the scene perfecly actualy

so that's it ? that's the warp u meant ? lol

MJJ just threw a punch (it was a superpunch probably tnt or even nuke level but still a punch)
then fury rolled into a ball Sonic style

and even IF that was somehow a warp...WTH it kept its purple color & its yellow eyes
not much of a "warp" is it

now let's see the fury recover from being warped into coca cola can (a REAL coca cola can, not a giant purple cola-can-shaped fury) - ow thats right MJJ can't do that (or he didn't wanna for some reason, go fig)

What difference would it make being warped into a coke can as opposed to a ball? That logic doesn't make any sense.

Fury was at a point that no matter what Jaspers warped into it would've made a difference. It says so right there in those very scans.

I don't see what your arguement is or if you even have one.

what difference does it make ?

let's se...u can't really compare that fury-ball-thing with a normal ball (say a soccer ball or something), right ?

ball-fury still had its color (the ball was made of the same stuff as the fury itself, probably with some of the circuits intact and all the rest) in fact it kept its color throughout the fight

ball-fury was still the fury, only different shape
it wasn't a ball it was just a ball-shaped droid
like when the fury changed into a dragon-thing when it was teleported near the sun, remember ?

now if mjj had changed it into a (real) soccer ball (u know the black & white inflatable thing made of leather or whatever) then how could the fury recover from that ? there's no more fury left, it's a fckn Soccer Ball !!!

same thing if he changed it into a coca cola can (not just a giant can-shaped machine but a REAL coca cola can made of aluminium metal & with coca cola in it ...)

so my argument is that whatever "warp" mjj tried (IF he even tried) it wasn't a real warp. not serious stuff
get it ?

Good grief man. You're really going to argue that turning Fury into a coke can would've killed him when a universe being destroyed couldn't?

It's finally happened, pigs must be flying in a frozen hell.

Pre Retcon Beyonder wins.

Fury survived universal nullification, could he survive a blast that can wipe out a multiverse? I don't think so.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Good grief man. You're really going to argue that turning Fury into a coke can would've killed him when a universe being destroyed couldn't?

It's finally happened, pigs must be flying in a frozen hell.

Fury was NEVER nullified in the 1st place

if he'd been nullified then there's no more Fury to come back is there ? unless it can come back "from nothing" or from the netherworld or something but it cant resurrect (it's not Doomsday) and especially not from nothing
Fury resisted nullification

so
ETHER Fury can resist the warp powers of MJJ (in other words it can't be turned into a coca can - but then your saying MJJ is omnipotent, so that's out of questin)
OR it can be turned into a (REAL) coca cola can. in which case it's not a cyborg no more it's just a tin can. if your saying that it can come back from that then it's like saying that the coca can you buy at your local store can somehow change into a ultra advanced super adapting cyborg. lol

see that's the difference in your example it never happened to begin with (it was never nullified). it RESISTED the celestial nullifier
in my scenario it has already happened (it's already been warped into a can)
got it now ? it's not flying pigs it's really simple down2earth logic. try it

Originally posted by Mindset
Pre Retcon Beyonder wins.

Fury survived universal nullification, could he survive a blast that can wipe out a multiverse? I don't think so.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
ok ima gonna try once more

Fury was NEVER nullified in the 1st place

if he'd been nullified then there's no more Fury to come back is there ? unless it can come back "from nothing" or from the netherworld or something but it cant resurrect (it's not Doomsday) and especially not from nothing
Fury resisted nullification

so
ETHER Fury can resist the warp powers of MJJ (in other words it can't be turned into a coca can - but then your saying MJJ is omnipotent, so that's out of questin)
OR it can be turned into a (REAL) coca cola can. in which case it's not a cyborg no more it's just a tin can. if your saying that it can come back from that then it's like saying that the coca can you buy at your local store can somehow change into a ultra advanced super adapting cyborg. lol

You don't get it do you? You just don't get it.

In Uni 238 Fury was never directly nullified, he survived THAT universe being destroyed.

Also, did you not read the scans I provided? It says a month ago that attack would've killed him but he was able to learn and adapt so that he can be warped, but it won't kill him. It wouldn't have mattered what Jaspers warped him into, he would've resisted or survived them all.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
didn't Darkseid survive the destruction of several universes ? (when mxyzptlk went batshit insane)

Does that have anything to do with the combatants?

Back on topic. I see Beyonder or MJJ taking this.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
You don't get it do you? You just don't get it.

In Uni 238 Fury was never directly nullified, he survived THAT universe being destroyed.

it's impressive but less impressive than actually being nullified and then returning from the "void"

Also, did you not read the scans I provided? It says a month ago that attack would've killed him but he was able to learn and adapt so that he can be warped, but it won't kill him. It wouldn't have mattered what Jaspers warped him into, he would've resisted or survived them all.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
didn't Darkseid survive the destruction of several universes ? (when mxyzptlk went batshit insane)

Originally posted by Mindset
Never heard of what you're talking about.

at one point mxy destroyed the multiverse (then the presence rebuild it) but there was some survivers, iirc Darkseid was the only one who survived

guess I mixed that up with somthin else. my bad 🙁

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
ok so your saying that IF it's warped into a (inert aluminium) coca cola can, THEN that cola cola can (which at this point is just an ordinary coca cola can like all others, made of aluminium atoms) is gonna somehow change back into Fury ?? 😕

Being that it's the Fury you probably couldn't turn it all the way into an aluminum can. That being said, we learned in Die by the Sword that even if there's a minute fraction of the Fury remaining it can remake itself as it did when it completely took over Jaspers body/

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Being that it's the Fury you probably couldn't turn it all the way into an aluminum can.