Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The lives of gay men and women are as varied as those of straight men and women. They come from every ethnic, religious, and socio-economic background. There is no single gay culture, but many cultures of gay people.
Then you can say the same about french and spanish culture as well.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Then you can say the same about french and spanish culture as well.
There is macro and there is micro. The culture of a country is macro. There are different French men and women but if they were born there and lived there until adult life they are among the French.
"Gay culture" has to be considered micro (for a variety of reasons not to even mention different genders) because while even gay people around America are different, it would be a stark contrast to the other hemisphere.
When I was a pre-teen I thought gay culture was loud mouth, high pitched, wimpy men who couldn't defend themselves (similar to Will and Grace but worse). Didn't know any better and had no interaction with people who were openly gay but that was what the mass media fed me.
I'll stop there before I hit a tangent.
Originally posted by chithappens
There is macro and there is micro. The culture of a country is macro. There are different French men and women but if they were born there and lived there until adult life they are among the French."Gay culture" has to be considered micro (for a variety of reasons not to even mention different genders) because while even gay people around America are different, it would be a stark contrast to the other hemisphere.
When I was a pre-teen I thought gay culture was loud mouth, high pitched, wimpy men who couldn't defend themselves (similar to Will and Grace but worse). Didn't know any better and had no interaction with people who were openly gay but that was what the mass media fed me.
I'll stop there before I hit a tangent.
No, most gay men and women in North America have similar characteristics. And the fact that you based your ideas of what gay people were off of a second rate TV show is not my fault.
So your saying although there is many many differences between people from Quebec and people from France they are not both part of the French culture as the UN recognizes them to be?
Originally posted by Starhawk
No but the idea that Gay culture originated simply as a mechanism for dealing with the world's intolerance just does not wash with me.
look up in group and out group support structures
"does not wash with me" is not a good socio-cultural argument. In fact, it is an argument from personal incredulity. Meaning, "because I can't think of something, therefore it is untrue"
Originally posted by Starhawk
No, most gay men and women in North America have similar characteristics.
of which you will state none, as usual.
Originally posted by Starhawk
And the fact that you based your ideas of what gay people were off of a second rate TV show is not my fault.
no. other way around. wiki +will & grace does not an expert on homosexuality make, yappy.
Originally posted by Starhawk
So your saying although there is many many differences between people from Quebec and people from France they are not both part of the French culture as the UN recognizes them to be?
The culture of Quebec and France are, and have been for many decades, strikingly different.
thats another topic for another time though
Originally posted by Starhawk
No, most gay men and women in North America have similar characteristics. And the fact that you based your ideas of what gay people were off of a second rate TV show is not my fault.So your saying although there is many many differences between people from Quebec and people from France they are not both part of the French culture as the UN recognizes them to be?
First, I said I was a pre-teen who knew no gay people so yes, my view would be formed only what I saw. Anyone never had that happen? You make a lot of odd of generalizations about hip hop that you never explain. I'm still waiting on that.
Second, NO! MOST GAY MEN AND WOMEN DO NOT HAVE SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS IN NORTH AMERICA. They are enough married bisexual men with children and gay gangster types all across this country (and I have lived in three regions of the U.S.) to say that is a dumb ass generalization.
Third, I don't include Quebec in French culture because it is in Canada and I haven't been there to say so. I could assume from word of mouth but I don't know that for certain. They speak French and English. I know that - that is factual.
"Culture" is not a fact, it is an opinion as you have proven over and over.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Actually culture is a fact. Otherwise the UN would not be able to classify it.
Who gives a damn what the UN says? A lot of "experts" spew bull all the time. My president lies all the time. Charles I was an ambassador of God... until he got beheaded.
What is your point? How does the UN classify culture? You must know. Enlighten us all.
Originally posted by Starhawk
Actually culture is a fact. Otherwise the UN would not be able to classify it.
The UN definition of culture is highly slanted in favor of aboriginal tribes and minority rights.
Science has been studying culture for some time. It is very complex and diaphanous, and the most general statement would be that cultures do not exist as the monolithic, ideologically and behaviourally uniform entities you describe them as.
My personal interest is looking at shared experiences and emotional or qualitative values toward certain things, especially those that are passed from individual to individual.
Originally posted by inimalist
The UN definition of culture is highly slanted in favor of aboriginal tribes and minority rights.Science has been studying culture for some time. It is very complex and diaphanous, and the most general statement would be that cultures do not exist as the monolithic, ideologically and behaviourally uniform entities you describe them as.
My personal interest is looking at shared experiences and emotional or qualitative values toward certain things, especially those that are passed from individual to individual.
I agree to some extents but I find it hard to call characteristics of people a sort of culture. Nations can have cultures, but characteristics of people... No.