Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The Source trumps the power cosmic. That's not up for discussion. DC WORKS DIFFERENTLY THAN MARVEL! I've read some new gods and talked to alot of posters on here. It's you who doesn't get how powerful the new gods are.Get Long Pig in here, he'll prove me right.
DC does work differently than Marvel.
And if i were to ever request any NG info that i might lack, it'd be from either Juntai, or Desaad.
I never said that the Source was on the same level as the PC.
What i said is that they're analogues of each other, at least to me.
Apollo isn't fit to lick Supermans boots, but he's an obvious analogue.
See the gist?
The Source = The everything that there is.
The PC = The energy of the universe, or to some, all that there is.
Not a cut and dry case of course, but analogues.
And i do get how powerful the New Gods are.
But it seems that hyperbole might be beefing up your opinion of their power.
The New Gods of DC basically are like the Marvel Uni 616, in the sense that the DCU proper exists to the NGs true universe, the way the Microverse used to exist to the 616ers.
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Originally posted by UniOmniThe hammer, which has absorbed anything that the wielder wanted it to absorb, can't absorb something like the AF?
Why?
The AF is basically the same thing as the PC.
And the hammer has never had a problem absorbing that.
I just want to know what makes you think the AF is above the hammer, or anyone i named.
And the Fury would decimate Orion.
The fury would adapt to the AF, since that's what it does. If it can adapt to Reality warping on an insane scale, it can adapt to something much less than that.
Secondly, i'm not going to ask Draco anything about the Source, or NG related since that thread he made before where he claimed that all of Darkseids appearances in recent times have been avatars.
That thread was full of falsehoods and just out and out wrong on many levels.
Third, i don't ask others what i already know myself.
The AF is powerful, but it's not the end all of everything.
Maybe it was intended to be, but it's not shown.
And going by your weak stance, Surfer beating Orion wasn't pis, since there's nothing in DC that equates to the PC.
Except the fact that the AF is the power of the source, where as the PC is the energy of the universe.
Analogous, if i say so myself.
And no heat, but did you read much with the NG's, or did you go by the respect forum?
Curious, is all.
Take a look at those statements by Uniomni and tell him which ones are wrong. 😖hifty:
This?
AstroForce is better than Mjnollir? Debateable.Possible, but that doesn't nullify the fact that since it's an energy attack consistently, it works to the advantage of Thor/BRB to absorb and reflect it back onto Orion times ten.
Surfer beating Orion was pis?
Orion vs Superman is always a good match.
Superman being more or less powerful is up for debate.
It's akin to Surfer vs Superman.
Orion is much more versatile true, but some would argue Superman is just as potent, even if he is limited in application.
Blasting Orion with his own Astro force is like blasting Superman with sunlight. It'll just make him stronger (actually, there are no limits to how much AF he can use).
Surfer v Orion? Either way. They are both badasses, but Orion's trump card AF would kill Surfer.
Vs Superman. Please. Superman admitted Orion is someone he'd never, EVER want to fight. A pen sized blast of AF hit Superman and nearly k.o'd him.
If Superman more powerful? Hell no. Powerwise, he's half as powerful. (doesn't mean he wouldn't win a few, just that he's not as powerful).
Orion is above Superman but MAYBE below Surfer. IMO, he's Black Bolt's equal if not a little more due to his strength and skill and durability and immense output of power.
Oh, wrong quote, sorry.
The hammer, which has absorbed anything that the wielder wanted it to absorb, can't absorb something like the AF?
Why?
Because it's basically gods power. The most it could do is block it.
The AF is basically the same thing as the PC.
Maybe. AF is more brute force powerful and an unlimited supply.
And the hammer has never had a problem absorbing that. SS doesn't have as much brute power and doesn't have limitless power cosmic, either. The AF would probably be so violent inside the mjolnir Thor would HAVE to let it out, like when Absorbing Man did something similar. Mjiolnir can't hold infinity.
I just want to know what makes you think the AF is above the hammer, or anyone i named.
And the Fury would decimate Orion.
The fury would adapt to the AF, since that's what it does. If it can adapt to Reality warping on an insane scale, it can adapt to something much less than that.
Secondly, i'm not going to ask Draco anything about the Source, or NG related since that thread he made before where he claimed that all of Darkseids appearances in recent times have been avatars.
That thread was full of falsehoods and just out and out wrong on many levels.
Third, i don't ask others what i already know myself.
The AF is powerful, but it's not the end all of everything.
Maybe it was intended to be, but it's not shown.
And going by your weak stance, Surfer beating Orion wasn't pis, since there's nothing in DC that equates to the PC.
Except the fact that the AF is the power of the source, where as the PC is the energy of the universe.
Analogous, if i say so myself.
And no heat, but did you read much with the NG's, or did you go by the respect forum?
Curious, is all.
[/The AF is powerful, but it's not the end all of everything.quote] But it IS basically god's power. He can do anything with it that god wants him to do with it. He has no limits.
Plus, the guy is like Savage Hulk mixed with Karate kid, speed of early 90's flash and a bad attitude.
PLUS, the guy can always boom tube and come back 300feet talk (his natural height" and just step on shit all day.
Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
You just said Superman is half as powerful... 😐
Looks Like I said Orion is like Black Bolts league, but higher.
Oh, I see it.
Yeah, he's not got half the powers Orion has. Superman is just a flying brick.
Give Hulk rocket boosters and a cape and you have yourself Superman.
SM isn't herald level.
When I say "not as powerful", it has nothing to do with who would win in a fight, it has all to do with a person's veriety of non physical powers and parapowers. Loke Transmutation or molecular control.
Orion's molecular control over his entire body is close to thanos, I believe. He can be bullet proof , and then he's like a diamond. Strong as maybe even andantium.
Beleive me, Orion got chopped up and new arms in seconds, good shit.
Originally posted by long pigMore strength, heat vision, superbreath, freeze breath, T-Vo, over light speed, vibrating powers, better fighting skills, better reaction times, etc... yup, I think you have a Super Hulk.
Give Hulk rocket boosters and a cape and you have yourself Superman.SM isn't herald level.
Some people would greatly disagree with you there, but I'll let them say it...