Originally posted by sithsaber408It will never fail to depress me to see just how many people live with such a fear of the unknown. To them, Godlessness and chance are radical and suspicious. In an age of unprecedented access to knowledge and wisdom, so many turn to their imaginations and fantasies as a means of escape from reality. Imagination should be a tool to enhance our lives, not skewer it with delusions of deities. The interminable drive of humans to find a higher purpose to life has ironically led to the suffering of countless millions of them, all in the name of the will of the Imagined One. It heals the chosen few individuals who claim to worship and follow it, and ignore the plights of the masses of Africa and Asia.
Final post #4755, nearly 6 years of KMC forums use:Well fellows, to each his own. I can't convince you enough, preach to you enough, or do any other thing on my own to change your minds.
Nor do I want to.
That was not the purpose of this thread. Rather, it was to give glory to God for the good things He has done.
I had been off KMC for close to 2 years and wanted to leave my personal story in my thread before taking off, and honestly the reactions have not surprised me.
What if you're right? What if there is no God, Jesus was just a nice guy who was killed, an all of the things posted in this thread were mere happenstance and coincidence?
I suppose that would make me and mine some of the most coincidental and luckiest people ever to exist on the earth...
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My father-in-law was healed of Hepatitus C, with blood and white feces coming from his insides and a grim prognosis. (that was 25 years ago and subsequent scans have shown that there is no trace of Hepatitus C, which is supposed to never leave the body fully)2.)A close neighbor was healed of Lupus, after 5 confirming tests. 3 subsequent test confirm that it's gone. No treatment in this case, just a prayer of faith.
3.)Throat cancer, brain cancer, ruptured and torn spleens of toddlers that fall from 2nd story windows, autism (you read that right), learning disabilities (no ability to comprehend or hardly read or write instantly healed and the child able to add/subtract/multiply/divide INSTANTLY), and other diseases/conditions healed
And of course, my own son's dramatic testimony of being born at 22 weeks gestation, written off for dead or severly handicapped despite ANY POSSIBLE medical help, and his subsequent healing, health, and prosperity of life.
You think of me as a deluded fool I suppose, but consider:
Isn't it strange that there should be such a high-rate of supposedly miraculous events happening not just in a general sense, but directly to my family, my friends, and people I know personally? And isn't it even more of coincidence that the people who believe that these things can happen are the ones who "just by dumb luck" seem to get that answer?
Much to ponder, I hope it leaves you thinking.
As it is, I've enjoyed my time here and have far more to do in life, in marriage, family, and in ministry to argue.
Either by random blind luck, or by the evidence of a very real God making Himself known to me, I've seen and witnessed enough to believe.
And like Paul, "Not having obtained perfection, I move onward and upward towards the high calling of Christ Jesus in my life."
I join Elijah Waters w/ 2,000 young people, Joel Stockstill with 7,000 young people, Carl Lentz w/ 3,000 young people, and scores of other leaders around the world in preaching the truth of the Gospel of the GRACE of Jesus Christ and of the POWER and MIRACLES of the cross to this generation.
Peace and chickengrease.
sithsaber408
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I take it back, it's not depressing to see so many of our species scrounge around for false hope and contradictory saviors; it's disgusting.
Grandiose drama-goodbye ftl.
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why would you want to change our minds? As far as preaching; you need to find a street corner. This has never been the appropriate location for preaching. The frustration you feel is of your own construction. You came to the wrong place, doing the wrong thing, and now you are "taking your ball and going home". Good luck.
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Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I take it back, it's not depressing to see so many of our species scrounge around for false hope and contradictory saviors; it's disgusting.
Does love and happiness disgust you as well? Does the fact that people have turned their lives around for the better because of this belief disgust you? All the church's ive been to, all the lives I've seen turn around, and the help I've wittnessed in the christian community... does that disgust you as well?
Maybe you just like focusing on nothing but the negative. That's fine.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
What were his odds of survival? What were his odds of surviving birth? And what were his odds of severe handicaps? What were his odds considering the grade 4 bleed on both sides of his brain?Am I misconstruing facts here? Because I've done the research and was told by neurosurgeons, doctors, etc...what his odds were.
And what are the odds for him to have come through all of it PERFECTLY NORMAL?
1:300 is not 0. It never is, it never will be, but as a doctor, for the 299 time the child dies or has severe medical problems, you prepare them for that. What you dont' do is say than the child could really just be fine, because then in 10 days you have a dead child and a mother and father wondering how their "going-to-be-fine-baby" is suddenly not.
Frankly, I think odd are dumb and dont tell people them. They fixate on numbers. People will literally interpret "1 in 4" and "one quarter" different ways. Odds are a chance, that you get a result, not a result in themselves. And if your child survived 1:300, there are children everyday who lose the 1:1000, 1:2700, 1:30,000 and 1:1,000,000 odds. Its not cosmic force at work. Its chance. I assure you those parents, while happy your child survived, think their child is no more deserving to have a congenital disease than your child is to escape his early birth.
I myself lost the 1:186,300 odds.
And yes, even little-old-you can beat the odds sometime. But perhaps rather it was your child surviving, and no comment on your part? If he had died, would it have been your fault? I'd assume (and hope) not, but then why in the inverse result case does the causation flip?
What you dont understand is the uncountable number of things that go wrong in the human body and how everyone is lucky and everyone looses some odd. The things that happen everyday that you simply ignore, then focus on 4 to make a point.
You dont understand that a positive test result doesn't mean you have a disease, and a negative doesn't mean you dont. Most cancers cure themselves before we can even detect them, and some do after. Some just remain controlled until we die of something else. Children with learning disabilities can indeed still learn.
I know its really hard when you live in a made-up world of concrete facts and direct causation to understand this complicated grey stuff, but I hope you will (and since you are obviously content in your playhouse, I doubt you will) try.
And thank you for preaching to the next generation of idiots! I hope its their nutjob parents that are sending them.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
No, medicine works too. I never said it didn't.We're talking about divine intervention healings. 🙂
My case was one where no matter the techniques of medicine, there was to be no positive outcome.
You can have faith that your son would have died without Jesus doing you a solid, but you can not prove it. Just a fact.
There are certainly [non-Jesus] parents out there that were in the same (or worse) situation as you, where the medical opinion was bleak, yet their child survived, without prayer.
There's also Christian parents who are every bit as vehement in their faith as you, yet their children die, despite all the prayer-pleas. Explain that.
It's most likely your son did what he was supposed to do, live; the medical equipment and medical care helped him along while he grew/healed. Considering you kept him in the hospital, you likely believe this yourself too.
Either way, your son is alive and well, all that really matters.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
Maybe you just like focusing on nothing but the negative. That's fine.
There is a great difference between focusing on the negative and pointing out that, yes terrible things do happen to people. Anecdotes are nice, certainly, but to wrap yourself in them and pretend that they represent the entire world is foolish unto the point of self delusion.
It's like going outside seeing a red car and deciding that 90% of the cars in the world must be red and holding to that belief even if you only see one other red car that day.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
You come off quite arrogant though, but you probably don't care.
Rampant dickery is atheism's biggest problem 👆
But in the grand scheme of things that makes them harmless and self-defeating, compared to a lot of groups that's pretty good.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
No, medicine works too. I never said it didn't.We're talking about divine intervention healings. 🙂
My case was one where no matter the techniques of medicine, there was to be no positive outcome.
it was kind of a joke and i consider myself a liberal at least in regards to social issues 😛
but in my experience with liberals and conservatives, liberals tend to be the most judgmental and knee jerking dicks on the face of the earth by comparison... case in point this forum. god forbid you make a post that paints homosexuality/homosexual acts in a negative light even if its in a facetious or not intentionally offensive manner.
another example being the haiti thread ermm