Originally posted by Jamefril
Wow! Praise the Lord! Thats awesome, shows just how amazing God is when his people are faithful no matter what the odds. Truly amazing! Reading that made my day and I hope that he grows up to be like his parents, faithful and obedient. AMEN!
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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's not Jesus doing that. You probably pissed off Vishnu in a previous life.
Perhaps I am becoming Vishnu? I am just yet imperfect.
Originally posted by Jamefril
Wow! Praise the Lord! Thats awesome, shows just how amazing God is when his people are faithful no matter what the odds. Truly amazing! Reading that made my day and I hope that he grows up to be like his parents, faithful and obedient. AMEN!
Just how we like em. Considering he's already being called "warrior," I'm sure he'll be sufficently brainwashed in no time and sent off to kill me and all the other infidels.
I'd like to hear stories "Thank Jesus my baby didn't live. It is truely a miracle of god's will that he was taken so soon!" Why don't we ever hear those stories? Gods will is only a miracle when it coinsides with one's personal desires? Is god's will then not just or own petty wants? Or does he just not get the miracle credit the 90% of the time the child dies?
Besides, I'm almost certain that was a Jesus-tube I saw intubating the child.
Originally posted by OrdoI'd like to hear stories "Thank Jesus my baby didn't live. It is truely a miracle of god's will that he was taken so soon!" Why don't we ever hear those stories? Gods will is only a miracle when it coinsides with one's personal desires? Is god's will then not just or own petty wants? Or does he just not get the miracle credit the 90% of the time the child dies?
Besides, I'm almost certain that was a Jesus-tube I saw intubating the child.
*Places this in his profile.*
This goes up there with questions like, why doesn't god heal amputees? I love it.
Originally posted by OrdoI'd like to hear stories "Thank Jesus my baby didn't live. It is truely a miracle of god's will that he was taken so soon!" Why don't we ever hear those stories? Gods will is only a miracle when it coinsides with one's personal desires? Is god's will then not just or own petty wants? Or does he just not get the miracle credit the 90% of the time the child dies?
Besides, I'm almost certain that was a Jesus-tube I saw intubating the child.
obvious answer is obvious. satan did it!
pretty convenient dontcha think 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Ordo
I'd like to hear stories "Thank Jesus my baby didn't live. It is truely a miracle of god's will that he was taken so soon!" Why don't we ever hear those stories? Gods will is only a miracle when it coinsides with one's personal desires? Is god's will then not just or own petty wants? Or does he just not get the miracle credit the 90% of the time the child dies?
Thank you all for your kind words of cynicism.
But like many others, you are wrong. While my son was intubated, and given great care at Sutter Memorial NICU (the 2nd best in the nation, after one in New York), the facts don't lie.
Even WITH ALL THE AVAILABLE medical procedures, we were told that there WAS NOTHING they could do for Lucas to survive. That he was just too small, just to early. (He was 22 weeks, not 32 or 28 or even 26 like that new Duggar baby)
Do some research on preemies. Go to the Govt. website for child health, type in his age (22 weeks) and his weight (1.2lbs) and see his chances for survival.
THEN, go look at any preemies who survive at that age (22 weeks you won't really find. In fact at Sutter Memorial, we were told that in 20 years they'd NEVER sent home a child born as early as Lucas, and point of fact, many others that had been born later were NOT in as good of shape as he was. The nurses were all astonished by him.)
And even if he was to have somehow been part of the 10% that do survive, all of the medical procedures and skills could NOT give him a good "quality of life."
Have any of you ignorant posters ever done research on this?
The rate of preemies who have learning disabilites, handicaps such as blindness, mental retaration, and cerebral palsy is increased the earlier the gestation.
And at Lucas birth age, if...IF he survived his chance of having CP, blindness, retardation, etc...(all of them combined, mind you) was 97%.
NO DOCTOR could bring him out of that. NO DOCTOR could take the the grade 4 bleed on his head (seen in 8 consecutive ultra sounds) and REDUCE AND REMOVE that bleeding.
Only the faith of the power of JESUS to heal can do those things.
And if I'm wrong, then I'm just incredibly, incredibly lucky. (beaten 1 out of 10 odds to survive the birth, 1 out of 10 odds to live more than a few days, 3 out of 100 odds to not have sever handicaps)
And isn't it amazing that the guy who beats all these odds, something like 1 out of 300 if you were to factor it all in.....
JUST HAPPPENS to be the guy who believes for the healing of God to come down? Strange coincidence, don't you think? The same guy who's seen Cancer healed, Lupus healed, Hepatitus C healed, and on and on....
BTW, sickness and disease are of the devil and not of God. So all you athiests need to stop blaming Him for things He's not doing.
If you want to see the things that God does deserve credit for....go back through the pages of this thread.
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Originally posted by sithsaber408
BTW, sickness and disease are of the devil and not of God. So all you athiests need to stop blaming Him for things He's not doing.
Their point is that it doesn't matter where bad things come from, if God/Jesus has the power to stop it (which you testimony suggests you believe) then clearly he isn't helping the vast majority of people whether they believe in him or not.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Thank you all for your kind words of cynicism.
1 to 300?
Do you know what the incidence of Down syndrome is? About 1 to 1000. How many children do you know with Down syndrome? That means for each one of those children, about 3 children in your sons' situation survived. Hardly the work of Jesus, espeically since given the US' population, most that didn't make it were probly to Christian families, even some form your paerticular branch.
People have a really ignroant conception of medicine. Your son had a hole in his heart because we ALL do, it doesn't close until birth. Babies dont arrive preassembled, things grow and get destroyed and rearrange. Medicine is not miracles. There is a lot we can't do. medicine often times just gives people the opportunity to use natural processes to survive. Humans aren't born to die. they have a biological will to live. Medicine, not Jesus, simply allowed your son to finish the processes he was supposed to do in the womb. And he made it. Its wonderful news! Its not your god.
And yeah, I'm in Medical school and the sh!t I hear people say everyday just astounds me. Cancer healed? DUH. It happens in most of us naturally every day.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Their point is that it doesn't matter where bad things come from, if God/Jesus has the power to stop it (which you testimony suggests you believe) then clearly he isn't helping the vast majority of people whether they believe in him or not.
If they don't ask, they don't recieve.
If they don't beleive, they don't recieve. We are sinful people, in a sick sinful fallen world full of disease, war, famine and poverty of our own making. The devil also plays a part in this.
Again, blaming God for things that are a result of our own free-will actions or the nature of evil is false. Further blaming him for not doing anything when you never ask, or you ask but don't believe also is a part of this.
I'm not trying to say I have all the answers, but I've seen enough people ask with faith get their prayers answered to know that God works and moves and heals today.
I've also seen others confess and believe defeat and inevitability, and that's exactly what they get.
Originally posted by OrdoI'm very aware of the open artery being due to his gestational age. And the subsequent heart surgery that he had to have.
1 to 300?Do you know what the incidence of Down syndrome is? About 1 to 1000. How many children do you know with Down syndrome? That means for each one of those children, about 3 children in your sons' situation survived. Hardly the work of Jesus, espeically since given the US' population, most that didn't make it were probly to Christian families, even some form your paerticular branch.
People have a really ignroant conception of medicine. Your son had a hole in his heart because we ALL do, it doesn't close until birth. Babies dont arrive preassembled, things grow and get destroyed and rearrange. Medicine is not miracles. There is a lot we can't do. medicine often times just gives people the opportunity to use natural processes to survive. Humans aren't born to die. they have a biological will to live. Medicine, not Jesus, simply allowed your son to finish the processes he was supposed to do in the womb. And he made it. Its wonderful news! Its not your god.
And yeah, I'm in Medical school and the sh!t I hear people say everyday just astounds me. Cancer healed? DUH. It happens in most of us naturally every day.
I'm not talking about the average Down syndrome rate either. I'm talking about what happens to a 22 week preemie, born at 1.2 lbs.
You're in med school, so tell me?
What were his odds of survival? What were his odds of surviving birth? And what were his odds of severe handicaps? What were his odds considering the grade 4 bleed on both sides of his brain?
Am I misconstruing facts here? Because I've done the research and was told by neurosurgeons, doctors, etc...what his odds were.
And what are the odds for him to have come through all of it PERFECTLY NORMAL?
You tell me.
And consider then that I'm pretty lucky I guess.
(Just happens to be that darn 'ol sithsaber who's kid got the healing, even while others were in better shape starting out and didn't make it. It would be just your luck that the 'ol nut is the one who gets lucky......)
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If that was true, then atheists would get sick and always die regardless of the treatment.
No, medicine works too. I never said it didn't.
We're talking about divine intervention healings. 🙂
My case was one where no matter the techniques of medicine, there was to be no positive outcome.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
If they don't ask, they don't recieve.If they don't beleive, they don't recieve. We are sinful people, in a sick sinful fallen world full of disease, war, famine and poverty of our own making. The devil also plays a part in this.
Then surely you've never been ill except when you want to be . . .
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Again, blaming God for things that are a result of our own free-will actions or the nature of evil is false. Further blaming him for not doing anything when you never ask, or you ask but don't believe also is a part of this.
But plenty of people do believe, do ask and ask for something good but nothing happens. I'm certain that even if we limit "Christian" to mean people who share your exact beliefs there are a great number who have had tragedies happen to them.
We could say that the Lord works in mysterious ways (but don't, the entire forum would implode) except that you have positively identified this as a miracle. So we can say that the survival of a child born under these conditions is a miracle (correct?), but there must be other instances of this happening (otherwise the 1 in 300 statistic would be 1 in infinity) and chances are that at least a few of those children weren't born to Christian families (since most of the world is not Christian, less is your particular sect and a few of those might not believe).
This suggests that if there is a God miracles are handed out randomly. That strikes me as disconcerting at best and down right cruel at the worst.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
No, medicine works too. I never said it didn't.We're talking about divine intervention healings. 🙂
My case was one where no matter the techniques of medicine, there was to be no positive outcome.
However, miracles do happen to atheists. They survive against all odds with no intervention from a divine power.
You are ignoring the fact that you don't know for sure. There is a chance that your child would have survived without divine intervention. These things do happen. Just because you believe does not make it true, alone.
Final post #4755, nearly 6 years of KMC forums use:
Well fellows, to each his own. I can't convince you enough, preach to you enough, or do any other thing on my own to change your minds.
Nor do I want to.
That was not the purpose of this thread. Rather, it was to give glory to God for the good things He has done.
I had been off KMC for close to 2 years and wanted to leave my personal story in my thread before taking off, and honestly the reactions have not surprised me.
What if you're right? What if there is no God, Jesus was just a nice guy who was killed, an all of the things posted in this thread were mere happenstance and coincidence?
I suppose that would make me and mine some of the most coincidental and luckiest people ever to exist on the earth...
1.)My father-in-law was healed of Hepatitus C, with blood and white feces coming from his insides and a grim prognosis. (that was 25 years ago and subsequent scans have shown that there is no trace of Hepatitus C, which is supposed to never leave the body fully)
2.)A close neighbor was healed of Lupus, after 5 confirming tests. 3 subsequent test confirm that it's gone. No treatment in this case, just a prayer of faith.
3.)Throat cancer, brain cancer, ruptured and torn spleens of toddlers that fall from 2nd story windows, autism (you read that right), learning disabilities (no ability to comprehend or hardly read or write instantly healed and the child able to add/subtract/multiply/divide INSTANTLY), and other diseases/conditions healed
And of course, my own son's dramatic testimony of being born at 22 weeks gestation, written off for dead or severly handicapped despite ANY POSSIBLE medical help, and his subsequent healing, health, and prosperity of life.
You think of me as a deluded fool I suppose, but consider:
Isn't it strange that there should be such a high-rate of supposedly miraculous events happening not just in a general sense, but directly to my family, my friends, and people I know personally? And isn't it even more of coincidence that the people who believe that these things can happen are the ones who "just by dumb luck" seem to get that answer?
Much to ponder, I hope it leaves you thinking.
As it is, I've enjoyed my time here and have far more to do in life, in marriage, family, and in ministry to argue.
Either by random blind luck, or by the evidence of a very real God making Himself known to me, I've seen and witnessed enough to believe.
And like Paul, "Not having obtained perfection, I move onward and upward towards the high calling of Christ Jesus in my life."
I join Elijah Waters w/ 2,000 young people, Joel Stockstill with 7,000 young people, Carl Lentz w/ 3,000 young people, and scores of other leaders around the world in preaching the truth of the Gospel of the GRACE of Jesus Christ and of the POWER and MIRACLES of the cross to this generation.
Peace and chickengrease.
sithsaber408
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Originally posted by sithsaber408
...Well fellows, to each his own. I can't convince you enough, preach to you enough, or do any other thing on my own to change your minds...
Why would you want to change our minds? As far as preaching; you need to find a street corner. This has never been the appropriate location for preaching. The frustration you feel is of your own construction. You came to the wrong place, doing the wrong thing, and now you are "taking your ball and going home". Good luck.