Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their [B]Creator....?🙄
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NATURE's GOD
NATURE
NATURE
NATURE
NATURE
YOU FAIL.
Besides, all the stuff TJ thought of was NOT in the Bible. It was free independant thought. Run away now.
And do you undesrtand historical context? NO. DO you undesrtand symantics? NO. Do you understand Jefferson? NO.
You plug your ears and scream "JESUS JESUS JESUS" as loud as you can. However, you're wrong and you have no credibility whatsoever. Jesus does not contradict fact.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their [B]Creator....?🙄
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Originally posted by AngryManatee
A Letter from Thomas Jefferson, one of the framers of, and rightful interpreters of, The US Constitution:To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.
Gentlemen
The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of SEPERATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
(signed) Thomas Jefferson
Jan.1.1802.
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Originally posted by AngryManatee
Dammit you beat me to it 🤣
The word Creator and nature are two different things.
Thomas Jefferson skillfully used the word "Creator" in the body of the Declaration of Independence to refer to God Almighty. Nature's God refers to the laws of of God (i.e. divine law, revealed law)
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The word [B]Creator and nature are two different things.Thomas Jefferson skillfully used the word "Creator" in the body of the Declaration of Independence to refer to God Almighty. Nature's God refers to the laws of of God (i.e. divine law, revealed law) [/B]
No, he did not. He himself said so. You Lose.
When Jefferson siad "nature" he meant "nature." The laws of Nature dictate that man is equal, not the slavery infested Church. Man is NATURALLY equal to his brother (as long as he was a white aristocrat).
What you present is merely a corruption. You never respond to me. Why? Because you can't argue with me. You have no points. YOu have no credibility.
I'm gonna jump back on the topic here:
In Jan. I went to help chaperone a youth event called Encounter at The Fathers House, a church in Vacaville. (northern California)
I had a great time, my wife and I went, along with her parents, the youth pastors, and some other adults from our church.
We took close to 20 or 30 of our teens with us.
It was definately a worth-wile experience, we learned alot, and my wife saw a vision of us as youth pastors some day.
This was something that I'd felt for a while, but she had been hesitant, liking to sing worhsip instead and not really feeling like dealing with kids.
Needless to say, her change in heart came from God, and nothing I could do. 😛
Now we host a small group from our home for teenage guys ages 13-19 called.... The Male Room. (I came up with that.) 😛
We've gone from 8 to 18 kids in that home group in just three sessions.
A small testimony in and of itself.
But back to the Encounter.
There was alot of serious stuff there, and the preacher Pastor Jude Fuquoa from Oregon wasn't kidding them. He spoke real truth about life, what the world tells them matters (image, clothes, sex, MTV crap, etc...) and what they really need to fill that hole inside of them: Jesus.
Many kids were unsaved in our audience of 1,200 and they came up to the altar to recieve the Lord.
Most were already churched, but weren't seriously living on fire for Christ.
As he finished his call for new kids for Christ, he turned to those that knew Him.
We sang this song:
And man, let me tell you... the Fire Fell!!!
100 kids in front of me who had run up to the stage were IMMEDIATELY baptized in the Holy Spirit, speaking in tougnes that they'd never known before, the heavenly language.
We had a kid healed of asthma... on the spot!
We had a kid healed of diabetes... on the spot!
Growing up in an old stuffy baptist church, I'd never seen this before.
It was a great night.
Kids were saved.
Kids were on fire.
And my wife and I found out what we were gonna do for a large part of our lives.
Be Blessed. 😎
Originally posted by Alliance
what was your arguement?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Snip.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
I'm gonna jump back on the topic here:In Jan. I went to help chaperone a youth event called Encounter at The Fathers House, a church in Vacaville. (northern California)
I had a great time, my wife and I went, along with her parents, the youth pastors, and some other adults from our church.
We took close to 20 or 30 of our teens with us.
It was definately a worth-wile experience, we learned alot, and my wife saw a vision of us as youth pastors some day.
This was something that I'd felt for a while, but she had been hesitant, liking to sing worhsip instead and not really feeling like dealing with kids.
Needless to say, her change in heart came from God, and nothing I could do. 😛
Now we host a small group from our home for teenage guys ages 13-19 called.... The Male Room. (I came up with that.) 😛
We've gone from 8 to 18 kids in that home group in just three sessions.
A small testimony in and of itself.
But back to the Encounter.
There was alot of serious stuff there, and the preacher Pastor Jude Fuquoa from Oregon wasn't kidding them. He spoke real truth about life, what the world tells them matters (image, clothes, sex, MTV crap, etc...) and what they really need to fill that hole inside of them: Jesus.
Many kids were unsaved in our audience of 1,200 and they came up to the altar to recieve the Lord.
Most were already churched, but weren't seriously living on fire for Christ.
As he finished his call for new kids for Christ, he turned to those that knew Him.
We sang this song:
And man, let me tell you... the Fire Fell!!!
100 kids in front of me who had run up to the stage were IMMEDIATELY baptized in the Holy Spirit, speaking in tougnes that they'd never known before, the heavenly language.
We had a kid healed of asthma... on the spot!
We had a kid healed of diabetes... on the spot!Growing up in an old stuffy baptist church, I'd never seen this before.
It was a great night.
Kids were saved.
Kids were on fire.
And my wife and I found out what we were gonna do for a large part of our lives.
Be Blessed. 😎
I'm honestly at a loss for words. And I might ad it has nothing to do with Jesus the Christ. I'm at a loss for words because you are so far gone, I can't talk sense into you. At least not objective "sense".
Originally posted by FeceMan
The intent of "separation of church and state" versus the "letter of the law" given to it. It's like in D&D: the rules-as-written (RAW) versus the rules-as-intended (RAI).
That's asuming there's a seperation of the laws in something like D&D.
Originally posted by FeceMan
The intent of "separation of church and state" versus the "letter of the law" given to it. It's like in D&D: the rules-as-written (RAW) versus the rules-as-intended (RAI).I'm meh. I don't really buy those miracle healing things; then again, I've never attended one for that reason. What I've read from others is that they are often fraudulent and that those who aren't miraculously healed are told they are "lacking in faith," despite their earnest belief that they will be healed. It seems that they can be quite damaging.
Well it wasn't a "healing" that was being attended.. it was a youth conference.
Some healings just happened there. 🙂
Nobody was told anything negative or that they "lacked faith", in fact they were all speaking in tounges and praising Jesus.
They all recieved a type of miracle, just some different than others.
I don't doubt you Fece, I'm sure that there are places where it gets faked, or people are told things that aren't helpful....
but I'm glad to say that this wasn't the case at The Fathers House.
What'd you think of that song?
Originally posted by Devil King
I'm honestly at a loss for words. And I might ad it has nothing to do with Jesus the Christ. I'm at a loss for words because you are so far gone, I can't talk sense into you. At least not objective "sense".
And that's the damnable misery of it all.
Because that right there, is me at my most honest, my most raw, my most real.
Some things I argue, some I debate.
Then there are the others that I KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT in my mind, my heart, and my spirit are true.
I can see why you'd think that Cap, and much of the world feels the same.
It's very logical to assume that I (like plenty of chiropracters, police officers, engineers, and nurses in my church who speak in tounges, get prophecy and healing) am flat-out crazy.
But God goes beyond logic.
Sorry my friend (and I TRULY mean friend) but I cannot make a liar of myself.
Christ came to fix my broken life
and now I'll live to testify.
That's what this thread is all about.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
It's very logical to assume that I (like plenty of chiropracters, police officers, engineers, and nurses in my church who speak in tounges, get prophecy and healing) am flat-out crazy.
Of course when plenty actually means extreme minority...yes, you are flat out crazy.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
And that's the damnable misery of it all.Because that right there, is me at my most honest, my most raw, my most real.
Some things I argue, some I debate.
Then there are the others that I KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT in my mind, my heart, and my spirit are true.
I can see why you'd think that Cap, and much of the world feels the same.
It's very logical to assume that I (like plenty of chiropracters, police officers, engineers, and nurses in my church who speak in tounges, get prophecy and healing) am flat-out crazy.
But God goes beyond logic.
Sorry my friend (and I TRULY mean friend) but I cannot make a liar of myself.
Christ came to fix my broken life
and now I'll live to testify.That's what this thread is all about.
I honestly had that conversation. "Am I so inconsiderate of another's perspective" as in "can I honestly believe that there are other people out in the world that are that fu*king stupid"? But I guess there are. And, while I have a hard time dismissing the difference, I am left thinking that most of your perspective is just that fu*king stupid. That won't change based on your posts, but because of posts and comments made by, people like you. You personally, can redeem yourselves. But you don't want to. Because the opinion of an internet forum member is insignifigant compared to the love of god himself.
Originally posted by sithsaber408You rule.
That's what this thread is all about.
There is no real point in explaining the unexplainable. The Holy Spirit has to be experenced to be believed. And honestly, your post trancended the event itslef, as I felt the Spirit bubbling up in me as I was reading it.
And with Devil King...if he did believe you, I'd think there'd be something pretty strange about that. I was the biggest Christian basher until God's reality hit me like a ton of bricks...and I don't regret anything I said regarding Christians before that, becasue why would I believe in something that for all intents and purposes was completely illogical?
But that's exactly what God is...
Great testimony