Praise & Worship/Testimonies/Prayers...

"Apeshit" = win.

Personally, I see it like so:

The kids have all been taught about speaking in tongues and the power of the Holy Spirit. The kids have also been taught that good Christians are filled with the Holy Spirit. Thus, one kid believes that he ought to speak in tongues--a conscious desire or not--to demonstrate that he is filled with the Spirit, and the other kids--again, consciously or unconsciously--also want to be seen as good Christians, so they follow the first kid's lead so they aren't "left out."

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
There's a lot of hokey stuff that goes on...especially on TV where things can be more easily staged. It's quite natural to have an air of suspicion with this stuff.

I used to not believe in this stuff at all until I was in a room that got absoluetly filled with the Holy Spirit and people all around were going ape s#*@.

It's one of the tripiest things you can ever experience, and some people have been blessed with the talent to be able to initiate this kind of stuff.

Unexplainable.

EDIT: Apart from stuff being staged, someone might say they've seen or experienced such a thing because they simply have a weak personality and can easily lie to themselves just 'cause they wanna believe something SOOOO bad...a lot of Christians get on my nerves for that.

However, knowing Sith, he's not that kind of fluff...and when it's not just one or two people, but about a hundred, you can't think they're all just fooling themselves. Plus, this stuff happens in big groups everyday, all the time, all around the world in a number of Chistian settings...people going ape s#*@ from this stuff. It's all in a days work for the Spirit...

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Somebody's on the right page.

I'll say one word here for the others in the thread: Stop.

You aren't really serious that this is all some grand lie, some charade based on a Nazi control technique, are you Alliance? (what was the point of that, really?)

I suppose you'll have some devious trick for the demons that were cast from my wife's aunt with all of her sisters around, hmm?

Or some way that my father in law was healed of Hepatitus, while crapping white and blood just a day before?

Or some reason for the 1 year old baby from our church to fall from the second story building, rupture his spleen, but have it be a "false diagnosis" when he was healed on the way to UC Davis medical center?

Or the prophecy that I received from a pastor from SEATTLE who'd never met me before in my life that knew of my family's history of addiction and mental illness, who told me that it wouldn't pass into me (it hasn't 😛 ) or into my kids, when me and my wife had been talking about our concerns for our kids maybe inheriting traits from my family line THE SAME MORNING before he gave me that word?

Oh, that was him "cold reading" me... that's right. 😄

C'mon.

Really, it's ridiculous for you to actually try to explain each and every occurence away as something that "just got lucky" or "you're crazy" or "you're lying".

Those are only a few of the many testimonies that I have, and I'm just one man.

The power of Jesus Christ is real, the Holy Spirit is real, and so is everything that I've seen and am testifying before you now.

Be Blessed. 😎

I'm pretty leery of "prophets."

www.peterpopoff.org

He sent us miracle water and Dead Sea salt with which we were supposed to "anoint our tongues." We threw it out 'cause he's dumb.

Peter Popoff does bother me. His "miracle water" is so blatantly ridiculous it hurts.

One thing, why are all those kids speaking in tongues without an interpreter? That is not how it is supposed to be. Speaking in tongues is only supposed to be done so that everyone can understand and be edified.

Besides, tongues are a sign for unbelievers, not believers (1 Corinthians 14:22).

Originally posted by sithsaber408

You can't honestly believe that 100 kids AT ONCE went "f*cking stupid" or "flat-out crazy".

Oh, I can believe a lot of really ****ing weird shit....just not that Jesus was the son of God.

I am cursed....or blessed...depends on perspective.

Originally posted by Bardock42
just not that Jesus was the son of Christ.

Originally posted by Nellinator
I don't believe that either.

Ha, yeah, I meant God, I'm sorry, I am not that well versed in Christian Mythology.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
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Somebody's on the right page.

I'll say one word here for the others in the thread: Stop.

You aren't really serious that this is all some grand lie, some charade based on a Nazi control technique, are you Alliance? (what was the point of that, really?)

I suppose you'll have some devious trick for the demons that were cast from my wife's aunt with all of her sisters around, hmm?

Or some way that my father in law was healed of Hepatitus, while crapping white and blood just a day before?

Or some reason for the 1 year old baby from our church to fall from the second story building, rupture his spleen, but have it be a "false diagnosis" when he was healed on the way to UC Davis medical center?

Or the prophecy that I received from a pastor from SEATTLE who'd never met me before in my life that knew of my family's history of addiction and mental illness, who told me that it wouldn't pass into me (it hasn't 😛 ) or into my kids, when me and my wife had been talking about our concerns for our kids maybe inheriting traits from my family line THE SAME MORNING before he gave me that word?

Oh, that was him "cold reading" me... that's right. 😄

C'mon.

Really, it's ridiculous for you to actually try to explain each and every occurence away as something that "just got lucky" or "you're crazy" or "you're lying".

Those are only a few of the many testimonies that I have, and I'm just one man.

The power of Jesus Christ is real, the Holy Spirit is real, and so is everything that I've seen and am testifying before you now.

Be Blessed. 😎

I am happy for you Sithsaber. If those things truly did occur, then I encourage you to beleive, and live your life how you choose.

Christianity, however, has not worked for me. No such "miracles" occured this way from prayer in God. Yes, wondorful, wierd, and unexplainable things have happened to me in my life, but nothing I can directly attribute to God...since I never prayed for some of these weird occurances.

Buddhism has helped me calm down, and train my mind to see and thinkg clearly...it has helped me recognize my passions as feelings and nothing more, nothing that should run my life.

Point being...what works for me works for me, what works for you works for you.

How about we just stick to what has worked for ourselves, instead of telling each other how to live each other's lives, eh ?

With precision you feed me
My witness I'm hungry
Your temple it calms me
So I can carry on
My slaving sweating the skin right off my bones
On a bed of fire I'm choking on the smoke that fills my home
The wrecking ball is rushing
Witness your blushing
The pipeline is gushing
While here we lie in tombs
While on the corner
The jury's sleepless
We found your weakness
And it's right outside your door

Originally posted by sithsaber408
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Somebody's on the right page.

I'll say one word here for the others in the thread: Stop.

You aren't really serious that this is all some grand lie, some charade based on a Nazi control technique, are you Alliance? (what was the point of that, really?)

I suppose you'll have some devious trick for the demons that were cast from my wife's aunt with all of her sisters around, hmm?

Or some way that my father in law was healed of Hepatitus, while crapping white and blood just a day before?

Or some reason for the 1 year old baby from our church to fall from the second story building, rupture his spleen, but have it be a "false diagnosis" when he was healed on the way to UC Davis medical center?

Or the prophecy that I received from a pastor from SEATTLE who'd never met me before in my life that knew of my family's history of addiction and mental illness, who told me that it wouldn't pass into me (it hasn't 😛 ) or into my kids, when me and my wife had been talking about our concerns for our kids maybe inheriting traits from my family line THE SAME MORNING before he gave me that word?

Oh, that was him "cold reading" me... that's right. 😄

C'mon.

Really, it's ridiculous for you to actually try to explain each and every occurence away as something that "just got lucky" or "you're crazy" or "you're lying".

Those are only a few of the many testimonies that I have, and I'm just one man.

The power of Jesus Christ is real, the Holy Spirit is real, and so is everything that I've seen and am testifying before you now.

Be Blessed. 😎

The mind is a powerful thing. We can cure ourselves of almost anything, if we just believe we can. However, this is difficult for people to do. It is easier for people to believe in something outside of their selves. Faith healing is just that, faith healing.

Demons and spirits do not exist, and the power of healing is not magic. We have control over our bodies, we just don't realize that.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The mind is a powerful thing. We can cure ourselves of almost anything, if we just believe we can. However, this is difficult for people to do. It is easier for people to believe in something outside of their selves. Faith healing is just that, faith healing.

Demons and spirits do not exist, and the power of healing is not magic. We have control over our bodies, we just don't realize that.

I agree.

What you guys are talking about implies some kind of effort on our part.

I don't think that 1 year-old baby put any effort or faith into anything...nor do any other babies who are miraculously healed in the name of God.

And tons of Christians even tend to lose faith at times when they're desperate for a miracle...yet they still get them.

God decides what miracles will happen, regardless of how much our faith is or what our tiny wills might want or believe.

...and besides, this is just focusing on miracles relating to the body...there's a million other miracles God does in all aspects of our lives that have nothing to do with healing.

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
What you guys are talking about implies some kind of effort on our part.

I don't think that 1 year-old baby put any effort or faith into anything...nor do any other babies who are miraculously healed in the name of God.

And tons of Christians even tend to lose faith at times when they're desperate for a miracle...yet they still get them.

God decides what miracles will happen, regardless of how much our faith is or what our tiny wills might want or believe.

...and besides, this is just focusing on miracles relating to the body...there's a million other miracles God does in all aspects of our lives that have nothing to do with healing.

90% of what you hear about miracles are urban legends and are untrue.

Here's a testimony:

This one morning I was on the bus on my way to work...and it was my first payday from this job on that day. On the way there I was thinking "hey, why don't I buy a homeless person some lunch today? I'm getting a nice, brand-new pay-cheque...there's lots of people about that have nothing to eat...why don't I share I tiny fraction of all this money I'm geting and help a brother out?"

It was weird...I've always volunteered at soup-kitchens and given to charity and stuff, but it's only 'cause I thought it'd be a nice thing to do...but this time, I actually felt something inside of me really WANT to help a homeless peron out...the desire was huge.

So after work, I said to myself "I'm going to by a lunch for the first homeless person I see." I came up to a homeless guy at exactly the same time some other dude did. The homelss guy knew this other person and was showing him this infection he had on his hand...the hand was like a balloon! I asked the homeless guy if I could buy him some lunch, but just then the other dude handed over his lunch to the homeless guy and bid us farewell.

The homeless dude was like "well, I don't need a lunch, but if you could help me out with some medicine for my hand that'd be great." I knew this might cost me, but this guy's hand looked in bad shape.

So we went to a nearby pharmacy to find out about a prescription he had gotten a while back but had no money to pay for. The pharmacy said it wasn't on their records and that we'd have to go to a clinic to get another prescrption. So we did...and after examining the homeless person's hand for about 5 minutes, a nurse came out and approached me in the waiting room and said..."this guy has to go to the hospital right away. The infection has spread to the bone, and he needs to get help immediately."

The dude thanked me for the care I showed him, and said that he always prays for angels to look over him. I told him I was a Christian, and he was amazed that his prayers had been answered. We sent him on his way to the hospital in a taxi and that was that.

The nurse approached me after and said..."It's amazing this guy ran into you when he did...one more day and that hand would've had to have been amputated...the infection was THAT bad".

About a year later I saw the guy again...and his hand was fine.

...Kinda cool I had the desire I did (and ran into the person I did) on this day....

Originally posted by sithsaber408
👆 Somebody's on the right page.

No, somebody's on YOUR page.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I'll say one word here for the others in the thread: Stop.

As long as you post things that don't make logical sense to me, I will respond, just as I do to EVERYONE else on this forum.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You aren't really serious that this is all some grand lie, some charade based on a Nazi control technique, are you Alliance? (what was the point of that, really?)

What you are doing, in this instance, is not a lie, because you are saying something you actually believe to be true. That doesn't at all mean you are false. Christianity WAS a control technique and likely still is, though I'll refrain from making that a complete statement because I don't trust people's judgement of the present.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I do think people can be deluded. Its so obvious that Jews, all those liberal thinkers, homosexuals and gypsies are the problem with Germany's economy...the evidence is all around us. Obvious to ANYONE that can see.

People can very easily get caught up in mass-delusions. I guarantee that we're both engaged in some right now. This is not a night and day issue, you see it because you want too, because you have too.

Fece, who would be more on your side religiously than mine, gave a really clear example of when you CANT jump to conclusions.

Even if you COULD jump to the conclusion that this is supernatural, why is it your god? It could be anyone's god. Even if these instances are supernatural, you have no way of proving that it supports your arbitrary religious beliefs.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I suppose you'll have some devious trick for the demons that were cast from my wife's aunt with all of her sisters around, hmm?

Or some way that my father in law was healed of Hepatitus, while crapping white and blood just a day before?

Or some reason for the 1 year old baby from our church to fall from the second story building, rupture his spleen, but have it be a "false diagnosis" when he was healed on the way to UC Davis medical center?

Or the prophecy that I received from a pastor from SEATTLE who'd never met me before in my life that knew of my family's history of addiction and mental illness, who told me that it wouldn't pass into me (it hasn't 😛 ) or into my kids, when me and my wife had been talking about our concerns for our kids maybe inheriting traits from my family line THE SAME MORNING before he gave me that word?

Oh, that was him "cold reading" me... that's right. 😄

"devious?" This explains exactly why your religious views are intolerable. Any logical system can apply to everything else except for your own worldview. Other are "devious" trying to corrupt you. Please, grow up.

I hate to bring in other examples from other threads, but I will in this case.

Its like your position in the thread on hate speech where you claim that you don't like to offend or hurt anyone, but you have no problem with people hating or hurting homosexuals, simply because you, in your narrow view, dislike homosexuality.

The world is not here for you to decide what applies and what can be ignored. IGNORING contradiction is ignorance. All you have made is a series of self-gratifiying assumptions, none of which seem to have any basis but your own world view.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Really, it's ridiculous for you to actually try to explain each and every occurence away as something that "just got lucky" or "you're crazy" or "you're lying".

I NEVER claimed you were lying. You ARE crazy.

I have simply stated that you have no reason for coming to these conclusions. You have no basis on which to make the claims you have beyond the reinforcement of your own world view.

I, on the other hand, have said that I'm simply not qualified to make judgements because I was not there, I don't have information I would need, and I don't have the qualifications to judge.

Your idea of "proof" is making incoherent lists of "facts." You say to yourself, "look how many there are, I must be right!," when you never actually examine the possibility that your "testimony" is not factual.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
The power of Jesus Christ is real, the Holy Spirit is real, and so is everything that I've seen and am testifying before you now.

Only to you. Have I told you the story of the man who tried to kill his son on top of my apartment building?'

My version of truth exists for everyone. Anyone can see it. Anyone can judge. Your truth exists in your world alone, which is why its so easily contorted into the nonsense.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Be Blessed. 😎

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
About a year later I saw the guy again...and his hand was fine.

How about...

Testimony: The promping of the Holy Spirit sometimes can effectively lead to someone getting a disease treated.

HAHAHA, yeah, tell that to a Aids/Cancer patient.

Why was the desire to help someone prompting by the holy spirit?

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
How about...the promping of the Holy Spirit can effectively lead to getting someone's disease treated?

The Holy Spirit is a myth. You can believe in it, if you wish.