Now, one must wonder--would this be how those proclaiming the miracles of Christ would be received? They were insane? Removed from reality? What about the shepherds to whom angels appeared?
Of course, the main reason that such things are discredited is because they are often used in conjunction with money-grubbing pastors who want little more than to line their pocketbooks.
Originally posted by Alliance
Of course when plenty actually means extreme minority...yes, you are flat out crazy.
Originally posted by Devil King
I honestly had that conversation. "Am I so inconsiderate of another's perspective" as in "can I honestly believe that there are other people out in the world that are [b]that fu*king stupid"? But I guess there are. And, while I have a hard time dismissing the difference, I am left thinking that most of your perspective is just that fu*king stupid. That won't change based on your posts, but because of posts and comments made by, people like you. You personally, can redeem yourselves. But you don't want to. Because the opinion of an internet forum member is insignifigant compared to the love of god himself. [/B]
So we have crazy, and we have stupid.
Dismissive adjectives that in no way bring you true peace or an answer as to what people like me see and experience.
Take the Encounter retreat.
You can't honestly believe that 100 kids AT ONCE went "f*cking stupid" or "flat-out crazy".
You'll say so, in order to dismiss God/Jesus/Holy Spirit/supernatural part of life and make yourself feel better and sleep better.... "sure, that's it..he's just one of those wackos." but we know that's not the case.
I invite you to educate my insane/stupid arse as to exactly WHAT happened this Feb. in that church in Northern California.
Remember also, that I saw it with my own eyes. Explain to me what I saw.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
You rule.There is no real point in explaining the unexplainable. The Holy Spirit has to be experenced to be believed. And honestly, your post trancended the event itslef, as I felt the Spirit bubbling up in me as I was reading it.
And with Devil King...if he did believe you, I'd think there'd be something pretty strange about that. I was the biggest Christian basher until God's reality hit me like a ton of bricks...and I don't regret anything I said regarding Christians before that, becasue why would I believe in something that for all intents and purposes was completely illogical?
But that's exactly what God is...
Great testimony
Thanks Bites.
If I'm helping one person, than this thread is accomplishing something.
Glad that it was uplifting you and edifying you spiritually at the same time.
That's two of about 20 personal testimonies that I have posted now, and believe me your word of encouragement will help in bringing out the rest.
Peace bro. 😎
Originally posted by sithsaber408
So we have crazy, and we have stupid.Dismissive adjectives that in no way bring you true peace or an answer as to what people like me see and experience.
Take the Encounter retreat.
You can't honestly believe that 100 kids AT ONCE went "f*cking stupid" or "flat-out crazy".
Child psychology...children never imitate those around them.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
You'll say so, in order to dismiss God/Jesus/Holy Spirit/supernatural part of life and make yourself feel better and sleep better.... "sure, that's it..he's just one of those wackos." but we know that's not the case.I invite you to educate my insane/stupid arse as to exactly WHAT happened this Feb. in that church in Northern California.
Remember also, that I saw it with my own eyes. Explain to me what I saw.
"oh but we know we're right...." If every religious group in the world didn't say that, maybe I'd be more apt to believe you.
I don't knwo everyhting about the situation you saw, nor to I have the necessary skills to analyze it. THATS the difference between people like me and people like you. If I CAN'T judge a situation, I wont. I'll let people who are qualified to do so examine the situation.
You see something and you go "God did it" (which is ironic seeing as there are 1000s of other possibilities, your just interested in reinforcing your own world view)
This is further ironic because thats likely how all this religous crap got started in the first place: idiots in the desert running around trying to explain death, rain, and lightning strikes. Too bad the Christian church had to take over and destroy all the Greek Philosophy that would have saved us from this mess.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Thanks Bites.If I'm helping one person, than this thread is accomplishing something.
Glad that it was uplifting you and edifying you spiritually at the same time.
That's two of about 20 personal testimonies that I have posted now, and believe me your word of encouragement will help in bringing out the rest.
Peace bro. 😎
Yeah, because you two were never similar at all before...🙄
Originally posted by Alliance
Well, Christans can always resort the the fact that this life doesn't matter...they can look forward to eternal glory when they kick the bucket (comes in great handy when youre whipping your slaves in the fields).
I don't think that a hundred kids at once went "crazy" or "stupid"; I think they were performing how they were supposed to. Get one going with tongues and the rest will follow.
*Shrugs.* I don't like being cynical, but that's what I've seen of these events.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Darn tootin'.I don't think that a hundred kids at once went "crazy" or "stupid"; I think they were performing how they were supposed to. Get one going with tongues and the rest will follow.
*Shrugs.* I don't like being cynical, but that's what I've seen of these events.
Its a sad day when being objective is considered cynical. Not a single one of these cases that I've seen examined beyond hersey had supernatural rationales or logcial ones that didn't suffice to explain the story.
To be cynical is to be "bitterly or sneeringly distrustful, contemptuous, or pessimistic."
I don't see any reason why sith would lie to us, and I'd certainly like to believe that the Holy Spirit worked in those kids...I just don't. And the Captain's a little more than a little contemptuous, sneering, and bitter.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
So we have crazy, and we have stupid.Dismissive adjectives that in no way bring you true peace or an answer as to what people like me see and experience.
Take the Encounter retreat.
You can't honestly believe that 100 kids AT ONCE went "f*cking stupid" or "flat-out crazy".
You'll say so, in order to dismiss God/Jesus/Holy Spirit/supernatural part of life and make yourself feel better and sleep better.... "sure, that's it..he's just one of those wackos." but we know that's not the case.
I invite you to educate my insane/stupid arse as to exactly WHAT happened this Feb. in that church in Northern California.
Remember also, that I saw it with my own eyes. Explain to me what I saw.
No, I have no question that 100 kids were stupid. I take exception to the fact that they all tell the same story. That comes from your brand of misleading and fear mongering. I'm not interested in them all experiencing the same thing, but that they all have the same story to tell. On top of that, if you tell them they're experiencing a cookie cutter version of faith, then you have failed.
I appreciate the fact that you present yourself for re-education. But you have denied it up to this point. Why should you not do as much from this point on?
Originally posted by FeceMan
To be cynical is to be "bitterly or sneeringly distrustful, contemptuous, or pessimistic."I don't see any reason why sith would lie to us, and I'd certainly like to believe that the Holy Spirit worked in those kids...I just don't. And the Captain's a little more than a little contemptuous, sneering, and bitter.
I don't think hes lying...and I dont think he thinks hes lying. Thats the problem with brainwashing...
There's a lot of hokey stuff that goes on...especially on TV where things can be more easily staged. It's quite natural to have an air of suspicion with this stuff.
I used to not believe in this stuff at all until I was in a room that got absoluetly filled with the Holy Spirit and people all around were going ape s#*@.
It's one of the tripiest things you can ever experience, and some people have been blessed with the talent to be able to initiate this kind of stuff.
Unexplainable.
EDIT: Apart from stuff being staged, someone might say they've seen or experienced such a thing because they simply have a weak personality and can easily lie to themselves just 'cause they wanna believe something SOOOO bad...a lot of Christians get on my nerves for that.
However, knowing Sith, he's not that kind of fluff...and when it's not just one or two people, but about a hundred, you can't think they're all just fooling themselves. Plus, this stuff happens in big groups everyday, all the time, all around the world in a number of Chistian settings...people going ape s#*@ from this stuff. It's all in a days work for the Spirit...
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
There's a lot of hokey stuff that goes on...especially on TV where things can be more easily staged. It's quite natural to have an air of suspicion with this stuff.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITESI find it amusing that you use that term to describe the situation.
I used to not believe in this stuff at all until I was in a room that got absoluetly filled with the Holy Spirit and people all around were going ape s#*@.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
It's one of the tripiest things you can ever experience, and some people have been blessed with the talent to be able to initiate this kind of stuff.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Unexplainable.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITESCouldn't you be doing the same thing?
EDIT: Apart from stuff being staged, someone might say they've seen or experienced such a thing because they simply have a weak personality and can easily lie to themselves just 'cause they wanna believe something SOOOO bad...a lot of Christians get on my nerves for that.
Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
However, knowing Sith, he's not that kind of fluff...and when it's not just one or two people, but about a hundred, you can't think they're all just fooling themselves. Plus, this stuff happens in big groups everyday, all the time, all around the world in a number of Chistian settings...people going ape s#*@ from this stuff. It's all in a days work for the Spirit...
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"That is of course rather painful for those involved. One should not as a rule reveal one's secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous." - Joseph Goebbels (Nazi Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda, adapted from Hitler)
Yes...you CAN think they are all just fooling themselves. Numbers don't give anyone anything more than a superficial sense of credibility...which, unfortunately, is all that Christian mythology has.
Just remember, the Titanic is unsinkable.
Originally posted by FeceMan
Having a silver tongue and a high Charisma score help.
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