Originally posted by tkitna
Its hard to say how strong he is. Isnt his strength unlimited depending on his rage? If so, its possible he could actually double, triple, or even quadriple Supermans strength.Anyways, the team wins everytime. Superman isnt one shotting any of those guys except for maybe Sersi.
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Originally posted by Draco69
Sersi is a high-level matter manipulator. Superman's shown resistance to matter manipulation but not on the level of Sersi. He would have to knock Sersi the f**k out in a speedblitz before she can amp herself.
But if he speedblitzes, can she lock onto him? 2nd, if he has basic knowledge of his opponents, wouldn't he know to take her out right away>
I really don't see how Wonderman, Hercules and Hulk are so easily dismissed as factors. The amount of strength Superman would have to commit to definitively taking any one of these guys out would be massive in and of itself. And I don't know about you, but I've never seen Superman throw out multiple shots of the level required in a mere second. Speedblitz in this situation is about as feasible as throwing turds in a monkey fight. Naturally, it's the first thing idiots think of and ultimately pointless.
Wonderman held his own against Gladiator and was ultimately defeated in 'Galactic Storm.' Interestingly enough, Gladiator used heat-vision, super-speed, super-strength and ice breath to do it. I don't think too many people have to argue that Hercules and Hulk are probably stronger than Wonderman and have access to near infinite amounts of strength.
On a sidenote, the amount of preening over Sersi in these forums has become nauseating. I liked the new Eternals that Neil Gaiman did and now I hate Sersi just because of KMC. I think someone made a Silver Surfer vs. Sersi thread a while back. That didn't just make baby Jesus cry... that made baby Jesus puke in his f@cking mouth.
Superman's still a scrapper. He wouldn't be stupid like Superman fanboys and try to act like he can dominate each opponent through strength and speed alone. It wouldn't be enough. He'd be smart about it, possibly try to use their strength against them. Make Herc and Wondy accidentally punch Hulk and have Hulk go nuts on them. That's three superpowered foes off doing their own thing and suddenly the odds are better. If anything, the amount of people on the field would probably give Superman more options.
Counter to those arguments is that Vision's density controlling is on par with Martian Manhunter and could seriously mess Superman up. Ms. Marvel has absorbed massive amounts of energy in the past and redirected them. And if anybody pinned Superman down, say with a transmutated adamantium chain wrapped around him and all of the super strong guys started pounding on him, Superman would not be having a fun day.
Team 7/10. Too many options and weapons and their durability and numbers make speed blitz impractical. But Superman's still a scrapper.
Speedblitz isn't a stupid option. He is outnumbered. He knows he has a vast speed advantage. The most logical thing for him to do would be to use this speed advantage to even the odds. What I think is illogical is for him to decide to brawl it out with people that are near his strength level.
Vision's intangibility is the reason I said 1 second into the fight the team will be reduced to Sersi, Mrs. Marvel & Vision.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Speed blitz.
I really don't see how Wonderman, Hercules and Hulk are so easily dismissed as factors. The amount of strength Superman would have to commit to definitively taking any one of these guys out would be massive in and of itself. And I don't know about you, but I've never seen Superman throw out multiple shots of the level required in a mere second. Speedblitz in this situation is about as feasible as throwing turds in a monkey fight. Naturally, it's the first thing idiots think of and ultimately pointless.Wonderman held his own against Gladiator and was ultimately defeated in 'Galactic Storm.' Interestingly enough, Gladiator used heat-vision, super-speed, super-strength and ice breath to do it. I don't think too many people have to argue that Hercules and Hulk are probably stronger than Wonderman and have access to near infinite amounts of strength.
On a sidenote, the amount of preening over Sersi in these forums has become nauseating. I liked the new Eternals that Neil Gaiman did and now I hate Sersi just because of KMC. I think someone made a Silver Surfer vs. Sersi thread a while back. That didn't just make baby Jesus cry... that made baby Jesus puke in his f@cking mouth.
Superman's still a scrapper. He wouldn't be stupid like Superman fanboys and try to act like he can dominate each opponent through strength and speed alone. It wouldn't be enough. He'd be smart about it, possibly try to use their strength against them. Make Herc and Wondy accidentally punch Hulk and have Hulk go nuts on them. That's three superpowered foes off doing their own thing and suddenly the odds are better. If anything, the amount of people on the field would probably give Superman more options.
Counter to those arguments is that Vision's density controlling is on par with Martian Manhunter and could seriously mess Superman up. Ms. Marvel has absorbed massive amounts of energy in the past and redirected them. And if anybody pinned Superman down, say with a transmutated adamantium chain wrapped around him and all of the super strong guys started pounding on him, Superman would not be having a fun day.
Team 7/10. Too many options and weapons and their durability and numbers make speed blitz impractical. But Superman's still a scrapper.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Another thing is, Sentry has managed to break adamantium. And Superman is far over Sentry in strength. so he could do it too.and Ms. Marvel won't last any longer than Hulk, Wonder Man or Herc.
Why do you always make up things, you dont know if superman strength is over sentry, it is stated by marvel that sentry strength is unknown because it seems like he dont have a limit. If its anything about superman you think that he is over someone. We dont know yet but sentry strength might exceeds supermans, he is stated to have the power of a million exploding suns.
Now let me get to this topic. Everyone on that list have fought speedster that come close or even rivals supermans speed. Everyone on that list has fought people that could be more powerful than superman. Wonderman fought gladiator. Gladiator>superman strength and speed. Hulk, dont even have to bring him up, we all know who he have fought and he have fought beings that is more powerful and as fast as superman and prevailed. Vision fought silver surfer and stalemated him and even hurt the juggernaut; juggernaut durability>>superman durability. Sersi; dont even have to bring her up because she is almost god level. hercules has fought beings that exceed superman in power his entire career. Wonderman is a split image of superman but just weaker.
These people are power houses and superman powers wont be nothing that they havent dealt with before. Like I said before hulk can hold his own against superman but adding the others (not saying that hulk can beat superman) is just to much for even superman.
By the way in my post did you see me say anything about superman beating darkseid, no. I asked why dont superman speed blitz darkseid or metallo, etc.... Even if he did it aint going to work because they to durable.
You just listed lots of PISsy feats. In comics speedester characters rarely use their speed in a fight and when they do is not explicit enough for some people (as in the battle where Superman died). So you cannot say if the battles in which you justify the power of the characters are real feats or not, but when they don't make sense we should opt for a no.
Originally posted by Bentley
You just listed lots of PISsy feats. In comics speedester characters rarely use their speed in a fight and when they do is not explicit enough for some people (as in the battle where Superman died). So you cannot say if the battles in which you justify the power of the characters are real feats or not, but when they don't make sense we should opt for a no.
true statement and very understandable. But I still dont think that superman will win this fight. I can pick 2 people off of this list that could either stalemate or beat superman.