Superman vs vision, hercules, wonderman, sersi, she hulk, hulk, mrs marvel

why does everyone look to superman like he is so damn godly? seriously its annoying... he seems so damn strong cuz to keep things interesting they make the villians stronger, but in the end he must win cuz he is the hero... that logic should not be used in an Hero VS hero fight as he doesnt HAVE to win.

the numbers factor in no matter what anyone says, more so who said he is going to go superspeed and lay a hit massive enough to knock ALL of them out... this is superman for gods sake, if he knows NOTHING about these people why would he take the chance at an attack that might or might not kill them for all he knows?
his constant habit of holding back is overlooked to often here. it opens a window to the capable memebers of this team who themselves hold impressive powers.
50/50 in my mind. Team wins in my opinion... doesnt mean they have a walk in the park but it happens.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
why does everyone look to superman like he is so damn godly? seriously its annoying... he seems so damn strong cuz to keep things interesting they make the villians stronger, but in the end he must win cuz he is the hero... that logic should not be used in an Hero VS hero fight as he doesnt HAVE to win.

the numbers factor in no matter what anyone says, more so who said he is going to go superspeed and lay a hit massive enough to knock ALL of them out... this is superman for gods sake, if he knows NOTHING about these people why would he take the chance at an attack that might or might not kill them for all he knows?
his constant habit of holding back is overlooked to often here. it opens a window to the capable memebers of this team who themselves hold impressive powers.
50/50 in my mind. Team wins in my opinion... doesnt mean they have a walk in the park but it happens.

Bloodlust

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within a characters personality unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability.

And the other rule.

Basic knowledge

Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows.

Originally posted by Juntai
Happened to read the rules? It answers most of your questions.

Bloodlust

It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within a characters personality unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first picosecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability.

Still retarded, but yeah i forgot that one lol.

still the team is being overlooked abit too much here.

Superman is not going too solo this team what so ever, he might get a couple but that's it. Sersi, Vision can do some serious damage while Immortal Hercules, Hulk, Wonder Man can take it to him. Sersi alone can amp her strength beyond Superman she has done it before to Immortal Hercules and shot him.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Superman is not going too solo this team what so ever, he might get a couple but that's it. Sersi, Vision can do some serious damage while Immortal Hercules, Hulk, Wonder Man can take it to him. Sersi alone can amp her strength beyond Superman she has done it before to Immortal Hercules and shot him.

YEAH! what he said!
totally agree

Jesus, you think Superman is outnumbered enough?

He can beat nearly all of them on his own. 7 against 1, he'll take down several of them, before eventually falling himself to the last few. Sersi is a dangerous wild card here, with her matter-manipulation.

Just like to point out that Ms. Marvel at full power would be Binary.

Originally posted by roughrider
Jesus, you think Superman is outnumbered enough?

He can beat nearly all of them on his own. 7 against 1, he'll take down several of them, before eventually falling himself to the last few. Sersi is a dangerous wild card here, with her matter-manipulation.

Superman will not take out this team out, Hulk, Immortl hercules, Wonder man, ms. marvel, vision, sersi, she- hulk they will a$$ rape him. Sersi, Vision, Ms. Marve that is too much fire power and too much brute strength and durability hulk, immortal hercules, wonderman. team 10/10

Originally posted by Bentley
Superman being over Sentry is an assumption. Thats not conclusive yet, its just hopeful thinking as everything that involves Sentry.

Can Herc hold his own with someone with super-speed? If not he is owned by Thor, right?

Sentry has yet to prove he is above Superman. It isn't an assumption nor hopeful thinking. Unless he proves it he isn't above Supes.

Thor does have enhanced speed, but please do not insult my intelligence comparing Thor's speed to Superman's.

Originally posted by carver9
Why do you always make up things, you dont know if superman strength is over sentry, it is stated by marvel that sentry strength is unknown because it seems like he dont have a limit. If its anything about superman you think that he is over someone. We dont know yet but sentry strength might exceeds supermans, he is stated to have the power of a million exploding suns.

Now let me get to this topic. Everyone on that list have fought speedster that come close or even rivals supermans speed. Everyone on that list has fought people that could be more powerful than superman. Wonderman fought gladiator. Gladiator>superman strength and speed. Hulk, dont even have to bring him up, we all know who he have fought and he have fought beings that is more powerful and as fast as superman and prevailed. Vision fought silver surfer and stalemated him and even hurt the juggernaut; juggernaut durability>>superman durability. Sersi; dont even have to bring her up because she is almost god level. hercules has fought beings that exceed superman in power his entire career. Wonderman is a split image of superman but just weaker.

These people are power houses and superman powers wont be nothing that they havent dealt with before. Like I said before hulk can hold his own against superman but adding the others (not saying that hulk can beat superman) is just to much for even superman.

By the way in my post did you see me say anything about superman beating darkseid, no. I asked why dont superman speed blitz darkseid or metallo, etc.... Even if he did it aint going to work because they to durable.

All is nice and done, except logically speaking Superman will just be blitzing through them before they get a chance to react. In a comic book it's reasonable to dumb someone with super speed down just to get the slower fighter a chance. The speedblitz will come in handy for numerous quick battlefield removals.

Superman fights characters that make all of these characters look like peanuts. ABC logic doesn't work. I could mention numerous examples of Superman owning the JLA, but hey that ain't fair.

Superman doesn't blitz Darkseid because Darkseid has super speed as well. It's that simple.

Originally posted by Bentley
You just listed lots of PISsy feats. In comics speedester characters rarely use their speed in a fight and when they do is not explicit enough for some people (as in the battle where Superman died). So you cannot say if the battles in which you justify the power of the characters are real feats or not, but when they don't make sense we should opt for a no.

You just proved my point. In Comics speedsters rarely use their speed to give their adversaries a chance. In the case of Doomsday we didn't see Superman blitzing Doomsday because Doomsday had super speed as well.

Rules are simple, my friend. Superman will fight to the best of his ability which will include him using his super speed to blitz this team and make himself intangible and invisible.

The team should win this 9 out of 10 times. They will simply overwhelm him.

Anyone who thinks that Kal can take this team solo, its having wet dreams. Big ones.

Team, no doubt.

Its a lot of superman fans on this forum if they think that superman can take all of these powerhouses alone. Hulk could solo superman for a while and superman can speed blitz hulk 8 times, I still dont think that that would be enough to take hulk out of the fight.

Superboy Prime, hulk fight people that make superman look like crap (silver surfer, thanos, etc...) so whats your point about that. Superman would die if he fought these people by himself. You seem to forget that wonderman can speed blitz, vision can speed blitz, sersi can speed blitz and mrs marvel can speed blitz.

you also said yourself that we're using these people to the best of there ability, mrs marvel to the best of her ability would rape superman (binary). Hercules can hold his own against superman, especially since kalibak and lobo does it on a regular basis.

I agree with you superman would take some out of the fight but all, even three, nope it aint happening. Superman is so overrated that its just sickening. I think that thor has a better chance against these people than superman, since thor versatility>>>>>>>supermans versitility and I think that thor would still lose.

Stop voting for superman just because he's your favorite hero or just because he superman.
I love juggernaut but if you pit him against thanos, i know who would win. I have seen numerous of people on this form stating that superman could 50/50 thanos, cant give a reason how he would beat thanos but they say that he could win some. Just give it up, superman dies this fight and dont have a chance to win not 1 round. You can give superman full knowledge of his opponents but that wont lessen theyre durability or there strength or will power.

team 10/10 but superman aint going down easy.

Originally posted by carver9
Its a lot of superman fans on this forum if they think that superman can take all of these powerhouses alone. Hulk could solo superman for a while and superman can speed blitz hulk 8 times, I still dont think that that would be enough to take hulk out of the fight.

Superboy Prime, hulk fight people that make superman look like crap (silver surfer, thanos, etc...) so whats your point about that. Superman would die if he fought these people by himself. You seem to forget that wonderman can speed blitz, vision can speed blitz, sersi can speed blitz and mrs marvel can speed blitz.

you also said yourself that we're using these people to the best of there ability, mrs marvel to the best of her ability would rape superman (binary). Hercules can hold his own against superman, especially since kalibak and lobo does it on a regular basis.

I agree with you superman would take some out of the fight but all, even three, nope it aint happening. Superman is so overrated that its just sickening. I think that thor has a better chance against these people than superman, since thor versatility>>>>>>>supermans versitility and I think that thor would still lose.

Stop voting for superman just because he's your favorite hero or just because he superman.
I love juggernaut but if you pit him against thanos, i know who would win. I have seen numerous of people on this form stating that superman could 50/50 thanos, cant give a reason how he would beat thanos but they say that he could win some. Just give it up, superman dies this fight and dont have a chance to win not 1 round. You can give superman full knowledge of his opponents but that wont lessen theyre durability or there strength or will power.

team 10/10 but superman aint going down easy.

"Superboy Prime, hulk fight people that make superman look like crap (silver surfer, thanos, etc...) so whats your point about that. Superman would die if he fought these people by himself. You seem to forget that wonderman can speed blitz, vision can speed blitz, sersi can speed blitz and mrs marvel can speed blitz."

Surfer has owned Hulk every time they have fought. Hulk is nowhere near Surfer's league, let alone Thanos. NO ONE HERE CAN SPEED BLITZ SUPERMAN! HE IS OVER LIGHT SPEED, NO ONE ON THE AVENGERS CAN HIT LIGHTSPEED IN COMBAT!

"you also said yourself that we're using these people to the best of there ability, mrs marvel to the best of her ability would rape superman (binary). Hercules can hold his own against superman, especially since kalibak and lobo does it on a regular basis." Binary is a different character and Ms. Marvel has been unable to use that power for some time. Kalibak is an idiot, but he and Lobo are far above the level of Hercules.

"I agree with you superman would take some out of the fight but all, even three, nope it aint happening. Superman is so overrated that its just sickening. I think that thor has a better chance against these people than superman, since thor versatility>>>>>>>supermans versitility and I think that thor would still lose."

Now, if Thor were here, the team could win. His magic hammer is the one weapon the team has, that can take out Superman. Thor could solo the field, but only if he fights smart. And usually, he doesn't.

"Stop voting for superman just because he's your favorite hero or just because he superman.
I love juggernaut but if you pit him against thanos, i know who would win. I have seen numerous of people on this form stating that superman could 50/50 thanos, cant give a reason how he would beat thanos but they say that he could win some. Just give it up, superman dies this fight and dont have a chance to win not 1 round. You can give superman full knowledge of his opponents but that wont lessen theyre durability or there strength or will power."

Superman can't go 50/50 with Thanos. Almost nobody here says that. And giving him the knowledge lets Superman know that only one of them is a signifigant threat, Sersi. Who he can heat vision, arctic breath, speedblitz, etc first.

Sersi is the ONLY member of this team that can take Superman out before he finishes the team off. Hulk won't get the time to build the strength needed, and Vision can't use his powers on something he can't hit, not to mention the bio-field.

Team rapes superman.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
"Superboy Prime, hulk fight people that make superman look like crap (silver surfer, thanos, etc...) so whats your point about that. Superman would die if he fought these people by himself. You seem to forget that wonderman can speed blitz, vision can speed blitz, sersi can speed blitz and mrs marvel can speed blitz."

Surfer has owned Hulk every time they have fought. Hulk is nowhere near Surfer's league, let alone Thanos. NO ONE HERE CAN SPEED BLITZ SUPERMAN! HE IS OVER LIGHT SPEED, NO ONE ON THE AVENGERS CAN HIT LIGHTSPEED IN COMBAT!

"you also said yourself that we're using these people to the best of there ability, mrs marvel to the best of her ability would rape superman (binary). Hercules can hold his own against superman, especially since kalibak and lobo does it on a regular basis." Binary is a different character and Ms. Marvel has been unable to use that power for some time. Kalibak is an idiot, but he and Lobo are far above the level of Hercules.

"I agree with you superman would take some out of the fight but all, even three, nope it aint happening. Superman is so overrated that its just sickening. I think that thor has a better chance against these people than superman, since thor versatility>>>>>>>supermans versitility and I think that thor would still lose."

Now, if Thor were here, the team could win. His magic hammer is the one weapon the team has, that can take out Superman. Thor could solo the field, but only if he fights smart. And usually, he doesn't.

"Stop voting for superman just because he's your favorite hero or just because he superman.
I love juggernaut but if you pit him against thanos, i know who would win. I have seen numerous of people on this form stating that superman could 50/50 thanos, cant give a reason how he would beat thanos but they say that he could win some. Just give it up, superman dies this fight and dont have a chance to win not 1 round. You can give superman full knowledge of his opponents but that wont lessen theyre durability or there strength or will power."

Superman can't go 50/50 with Thanos. Almost nobody here says that. And giving him the knowledge lets Superman know that only one of them is a signifigant threat, Sersi. Who he can heat vision, arctic breath, speedblitz, etc first.

Sersi is the ONLY member of this team that can take Superman out before he finishes the team off. Hulk won't get the time to build the strength needed, and Vision can't use his powers on something he can't hit, not to mention the bio-field.

Trickster it is very pointless to debate with you because your one track minded. When you have a answer you stick with it. Im not saying that they could speed blitz superman but some have potrayed to have enough speed to dodge or hit speedsters.

If superman moves at over light speed, he is faster than flash because flash has to use the speed force to go beyond light speed.

Hulk can stand up to superman, just like hercules can, they are durable and strong enough to do so. You said so yourself, everyone on the battle field has full knowledge of there opponent, that rule dont only go for superman. So with that said, vision will come to the field either intagible or making himself more durable. Hulk would be prepared for a blitz and herc himself would be prepared for one. Sersi would have a shield up so that she wouldnt even feel a blitz, she hulk is just gone out of the fight if she gets blitz and wonderman would be prepared to dodge a blitz. Wonderman can take a punch from superman. The guy withstood a punch from gladiator that almost knocked him to the core of the earth and gladiator strength (full confidence)>>superman strength (my opinion, just never seen superman do the things that gladiator has done.).

It is just to much raw power on this team. Like I said before, I can choose two people off this team that could take superman and I can choose two that could solo him if they were at full power. By the way how in the h*** is superman going to take a hand going through his head when juggernaut couldnt take it, 😆 do I have to do this again, I think I do, juggernaut durability >>> superman durability.

The only thing that superman got that he can use against these opponents is strength, flight, and speed. The rest of his powers is useless. Anyone on this list can take any other power that superman has and they sure as hell could take superman strength since they have proven that on numerous of occasions.

Team 10/10 and it wont be hard at all.

Everyone on this forum, just ignore Juntai, superboy prime and
TricksterPriest, they always vote for superman and it is hard to debate against them. I have went to almost every superman battle and they voted with him, even against thanos. If you have common knowledge of each character, you should know that superman dont have any kind of way of beating these people and I can tell by the people that have already voted would know that superman stands no chance in this debate.

Thanks for the votes, it was much appreciated. I was just trying to prove a point to someone.

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