Question for those who claim Hudlin is racist

Originally posted by pr1983
with anyone else i could guess whether its sarcasm or not... with you... i have no idea...

there are people who happen to be black, and irish, yes... 😛

the context of this discussion is hudlin's writing and how he seems to be using the fact that he's black as an excuse to badly characterize a lot of characters and to do his best to at all times make the black characters in his comics seem inherently superior simply because they're black...

or am i wrong?

edit: how many times did i use the word black in that paragraph... 😖

I thought we were discussing the racism that still exist in America, which may or may not have contributed to Hudlins way of writing.

Originally posted by His Airness
I thought we were discussing the racism that still exist in America, which may or may not have contributed to Hudlins way of writing.

racism exists everywhere, being american doesnt make you more or less an expert on racism, i don't mean you in particular, i mean in general... and to be honest, i think hudlin's view is incredibly skewed if he believes he's justified in writing the way he does and that it's somehow representative of the way things should be...

Originally posted by pr1983
racism exists everywhere, being american doesnt make you more or less an expert on racism, i don't mean you in particular, i mean in general... and to be honest, i think hudlin's view is incredibly skewed if he believes he's justified in writing the way he does and that it's somehow representative of the way things should be...

That has nothing to do with our discussion that racism that still exist in America, which may or may not have contributed to Hudlin's way of writing. I have no problem with him writing comics in a way that mirrors his life experiences, however he could become a much better writer.

but thats the point, he's not supposed to write comics that mirror his experiences... the characters have to come first... it's their experiences that need to be expanded upon, not his...

and this discussion is about more than whether racism still exists in america and whether its affecting hudlin's writing... 😬

Originally posted by pr1983
but thats the point, he's not supposed to write comics that mirror his experiences... the characters have to come first... it's their experiences that need to be expanded upon, not his...

and this discussion is about more than whether racism still exists in america and whether its affecting hudlin's writing... 😬

but comics are also often used to bring up social issues (ie, mutant prejudice were used as a analogy for racism).

Originally posted by pr1983
but thats the point, he's not supposed to write comics that mirror his experiences... the characters have to come first... it's their experiences that need to be expanded upon, not his...

and this discussion is about more than whether racism still exists in america and whether its affecting hudlin's writing... 😬

Is that not what all writers do? Write comics based on personal experiences?

If so, than why is the title of this thread "Question for those who claim Hudlin is racist"?

Originally posted by masterbruce
but comics are also often used to bring up social issues (ie, mutant prejudice were used as a analogy for racism).

and that's fine, as long as the characters react consistent with their established personalities... not suddenly change into the likes of the storm a few pages back...

Originally posted by His Airness
Is that not what all writers do? Write comics based on personal experiences?

If so, than why is the title of this thread "Question for those who claim Hudlin is racist"?

as long as they use the characters they're writing about properly, and they represent them properly, the actual plot can be pretty much anything they put their mind to...

the original question was whether it was racist for writers to amp up white characters (not the best question to be honest, cos it sort of missed the point). characters get amped up all the time, and in the cases of the likes of captain america, batman and wolverine, its because of who they are and how loved they are, not what colour their skin is... hudlin on the other hand is amping up black characters simply because they're black, and he makes it obvious by the amount of racist undertones in his work...

Originally posted by pr1983
and that's fine, as long as the characters react consistent with their established personalities... not suddenly change into the likes of the storm a few pages back...

oh yeah I totally agree

Originally posted by His Airness
That has nothing to do with our discussion that racism that still exist in America, which may or may not have contributed to Hudlin's way of writing. I have no problem with him writing comics in a way that mirrors his life experiences, however he could become a much better writer.

The point you tried to make is racism is the reason why your abilities to succeed are more limited then a white kids. Which is completely unfounded. You say you went to a school with a large lack of resources. Did you ever think it was economical and not racial?

Seriously there are black kids that go to Suburban areas who receive the finest educations and there are white kids that go Urban schools with very little. There have been Latino and Asian Kids that have managed to go to very blue blooded prep schools.

I don't see where race plays into your ability to attain resources.

I myself come from a poor family who has lived in many diverse environments with a very diverse background. I've seen it all in terms of schools and really the last thing I saw as a factor was race.

As for Hudlin once again I think he has chosen the wrong character to try and get off his very specific message. A Superhero King from Africa is not going to care about racism as much as Hudlin seems to make him.

Originally posted by masterbruce
oh yeah I totally agree

😄

Originally posted by Newjak
I don't think anyone here is not saying racism doesn't still exist racism on all levels still exists.

The point you tried to make is racism is the reason why your abilities to succeed are more limited then a white kids. Which is completely unfounded. You say you went to a school with a large lack of resources. Did you ever think it was economical and not racial?

Seriously there are black kids that go to Suburban areas who receive the finest educations and there are white kids that go Urban schools with very little. There have been Latino and Asian Kids that have managed to go to very blue blooded prep schools.

I don't see where race plays into your ability to attain resources.

I myself come from a poor family who has lived in many diverse environments with a very diverse background. I've seen it all in terms of schools and really the last thing I saw as a factor was race.

As for Hudlin once again I think he has chosen the wrong character to try and get off his very specific message. A Superhero King from Africa is not going to care about racism as much as Hudlin seems to make him.

huh.

Economical? Are you serious? In every single major city in America, the vast majority of the kids who attend these low resource, poor, interscholastic schools are lower income black or Hispanic children. The average percentage of black or Hispanic kids that attends the more prosperous, competent suburban schools are less than 10%, and most often 5%.

You know how many white kids attend these more poor, incompetent schools? Less than 20%.

You know what happens when blacks start moving to these more white predominate areas hoping for a better education? The whites move out and the area becomes predominantly black and hispanic. The blacks, and hispanic children than get the ran down schools and left over resources the white parents no longer want think are adequate enough for their children.

This is exactly what happened to South Kansas City.

Thats understandable as you've never been black.

How many city schools did you attend?

African has been one of the biggest victims of racism the world has ever known. During the 17th, 18th, 19th, and early 20th century when Europeans started exploring Africa and found the many monuments and empires the Africans created, they denied black people could do such things and claimed that must have took instruction from white leaders. They basically erased African history as to make themselves look better.

Originally posted by His Airness
No, but they are the only nationality to be enslaved in our country. I'm positive citizens of other countries with ancestors who've been enslaved have the same problem.

It was more along the lines of the 1700's.

Actually, slavery nearly died out in the early 1800's until Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, which caused a boom in the african slave trade.

And no, Africans are not the only nationality to be enslaved in america, as I said before.

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html

Slavery has been around pretty much since the dawn of civilization, it didn't start in Africa.

And if you want to be mad at someone for the African slave trade, blame the Portuguese, they are the ones who started it or even blame the Africans themselves, who sold other Africans into slavery.

As an end note, Slavery was never about racism or anything like that, it was about economics and making money. The entire concept of racism really came after the civil war.

Originally posted by Grimm22

As an end note, Slavery was never about racism or anything like that,

ummmm yes it was...or else why weren't whites being used as slave?

back in the days of slavery, the white slaveowners believed that blacks were closer to monkeys than humans...they actually tried to do scientific experimentation to prove it

they basically saw blacks as animals for use of labor and stuff

if, as you say it was about economics and not racism, then they would have enslaved poor whites as well, but they didnt

Originally posted by Grimm22
As an end note, Slavery was never about racism or anything like that, it was about economics and making money. The entire concept of racism really came after the civil war.

Racism developed while slavery was common practice. It was the only way that people could rationalize enslaving other human beings.

Originally posted by masterbruce
ummmm yes it was...or else why weren't whites being used as slave?

back in the days of slavery, the white slaveowners believed that blacks were closer to monkeys than humans...they actually tried to do scientific experimentation to prove it

they basically saw blacks as animals for use of labor and stuff

if, as you say it was about economics and not racism, then they would have enslaved poor whites as well, but they didnt

Yes, they thought of africans as lesser beings back then, but thats not why they enslaved them

and actually they did enslave poor whites up until the 1800's 😐

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Racism developed while slavery was common practice. It was the only way that people could rationalize enslaving other human beings.

You're right, but i'm just saying that slavery wasn't started BECAUSE of racism, it developed after the slave trade started

True

Originally posted by Grimm22
Please spare me 🙄

Do you honestly think that African-American's are the only ones with ancestors who have been put into slavery?!? 🤨

Hell, before the big African slave trade boom in the 1800's slaves were of EVERY COLOR!

Oh and racism is treating someone differently because of their race, so please enlighten me on how the hell Black People cannot be racist?!? How is treating someone differently because they are white any different than a white person treating someone differently because they are black!

And everyone has an equal opportunity to make something of themselves in life and for some it may be more difficult than others (not because of race!), but that doesn't mean that its impossible!

If you keep telling yourself that you can't get anywhere in life, guess what, you're not going to. All you're trying to do is find a scapegoat, so that you don't have to take the opportunities given to you

(Sorry for the rant)

People since th ebeggining of time have been put into to slavery but the term slave was always used different, NEVER were slaves taken from their land for no reason, simply because of their origin and exploited, or dehumanized.

In ancient rome, you could buy your freedom, In Europe, it was built on an estate system meaning that the ownership of property and the exercise of power was monopolized by the elite(monarchy): What this means that people were born poor, and it was up to the king to choose whether you became higher or not... well the king and the church... but your social class had all to do with your families wealth, not with your skin color, you were still a free man, you could leave your house when you wanted, leave town when you wanted, and marry when you wanted.

In America, "the land of the free" what people did is, they needed free labor, so they literally just decided to go to the west coast of Africa and steal people by the millions, These people were not stolen based on War, or because of a social class, they were simply stolen. White men than DEHUMANIZED the black race, making them seem as though they were animals, and for over 400 years, they prospered off the back of slaves for free labor, America flourished ONLY, and i mean ONLY because of 400 years of slaves picking cotton, and doing farming and physical chores, for the cost of money that would make the wages of a sweat-shop worker in thailand seem like he was donald ****ing trump, and after 400 years of service, White men got so riled up when they were asked to let go of the workers who had ONLY served them for 400 years free of charge, that they went to ****ing war over it, and when they lost, yeah... they let the slaves go, but by then America was becoming one of the richest nations in the world, and slavery is the MAIN reason, and do you think that black people got paid for any bit of it??? none, not a damn thing.

if you worked for 400 years, wouldnt you want to be paid for it???

Now for the black people can be racist, Im only gonna explain this once so EVEYRONE LISTEN UP! White People are in control of every Super Power in the World, they are the only Race of people that have ever colonized nations and soaked them up for their resources, all of these nations not being occupied by, "white people". In America, if all black men chose to rise up against white people, we couldnt do anything, White men are in Political power, there is nothing that Black people or any minority can do to hurt white people on a REAL level, nothing.

Now ask yourself this question, ill even make it simple, Cage is tough... and he is, "cool" but WTF can he do to Superman??? Nothing... maybe land a few hits, and possibly bust a lip....if he tries his hardest, but at the end of the day, he is no match... so how can Cage ever threaten Superman(with no Kryptonite involved)???

The answer is, he cant...not without help...but if Cage beats up Sunfire...he is simply helping Superman out...because now Superman doesnt have to beat up Sunfire or Cage because they are too busy fighting one another..at the end of the day, If Cage, and Sunfire beat each other up, Superman wins, but it never really mattered, because even if they teamed up, Superman wouldve still won, hes just got too much.

White people can be racist, because they are the only people that have something to protect, Minorities dont have anything, why?? because white people have made sure to keep starving races starving, the way you always win is to eliminate your competition

The fact that you think that in America everyone has a fair shot at resouces, is really quite sad... and just plain false.

When Minorities talk bad about white people, its like trying to kill a werewolf with a bronze bullet, It just doesnt work...though it might sting him a little.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Actually, slavery nearly died out in the early 1800's until Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, which caused a boom in the african slave trade.

And no, Africans are not the only nationality to be enslaved in america, as I said before.

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html

Slavery has been around pretty much since the dawn of civilization, it didn't start in Africa.

And if you want to be mad at someone for the African slave trade, blame the Portuguese, they are the ones who started it or even blame the Africans themselves, who sold other Africans into slavery.

As an end note, Slavery was never about racism or anything like that, it was about economics and making money. The entire concept of racism really came after the civil war.

you are so ignorant that i cant even be mad with you because you simply dont know better.

YOU JUST SAID AMERICAN SLAVERY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE!!!!!!!!( i try not to think about it, because it makes me want to do horrible things to you)

Originally posted by Grimm22
You're right, but i'm just saying that slavery wasn't started BECAUSE of racism, it developed after the slave trade started