Question for those who claim Hudlin is racist

Started by King KAM30 pages

Originally posted by Newjak
And not every African was taken as slaves as well. Only those other Africans traded with. The Jews were also completely slaves in Eygpt. And I never tried to justify Slavery in America I'm only trying to point out that that for one things last time I checked people in their ability succeed are pretty equal and that your notion that American Slavery was the worst i nthe world which it by far wasn't.

And I hate to tell you this but there were plenty of slaves in Muslims times and why does it matter if it came through War. Technically so did African Slaves as they were captured by waring tribes.

And your notion that the world is doomed because of white people is foolish. Because for one thing White people aren't the majority race in the world. Another because White people aren't the only people with Nuclear Capabilities. The fact is the only Nation that is a Global power(Superpower is USA) which compared to many many other nations is extremely diverse especially since most white people don't identify themselves as white. You'll fine the the great white unified idea of America is false why because people especially white people tend to associate more with nation and cultural history then racial history. In fact if take away the label white you find that America is hardly a majority on any front. 😬

And did I say rich nations I said world powers of which China, Israel and Saudi Arabia all are. They all have the ability to effect the world more so then many European countries like France and England 😉

And if you want to blame America for anything how about the fact they ended Slavery. Because the fact remains many of the African Slaves were already slaves in Africa and it was many European Nations that started. And all this was going on when slavery was still very much rampant in Middle eastern Nations and even in some Asian nations.

as to whether or not I'm white why should that matter at all. Unless your gonna start and try and call me racist which is plain absurd seeing that I have no problem and or stereotypes against any race. Although if you would read the top of the page you would see that I am quite diverse in my background. Probably much more so then you 😛


But Egypt Collapsed, we live in America as of right now, Im not talking about the crimes of ancient times, im talking about things that happened with your direct descendants, Egypt was never claimed to be a democracy, and was never deemed "the land of liberty", their slaves were treated as human beings, and once they were let free, were not still kept down by their ex-slave masters, America-the america we currently live in, counted black human beings as cargo, and No they were not simply sold by other Africans, and warring tribes, they told some clans, that they could sell the other clans, and they did it so that they wouldnt be captured themselves.

And American Slavery was the worst in the world, It had the highest abduction and death numbers, and the least acceptable reasons, over 30million people dying...yes, that is BY far the largest number of casualties for slavery.

I never once said that the world was doomed because of white people please dont put words in my mouth, the fact is that Caucasian people are in power,and it doesnt mattter what white people identify themselves as, if you are white, no matte what you do, you will reap the benefits, for that is how the system is designed.

China is not a power nation, it WILL be, Isreal is only a power because its military is owned by America,and No once again you are wrong, the benefits of Racism are Greater in Britain and France... learn about the the Dependency theory, and once you do... get back at me, because right now your arguing off of whits, and not facts, so simply learn it, and then holla at me.

Many of the slaves??? no not many, less than 10% they werent already slaves... sorry, that probably helps you sleep at night, but no, MOST meaning the majority, werent slaves at all.

What is your definition of rampant???? Asian people only enslaved other Asian people, along with muslim nations, White people didnt...they instead went and enslaved people of a different color, and only that color, which makes them racist

And thank america for ending slavery....you really dont know why slavery ended...learn why, then come back to me.

Dude... the only thing that brings up racism to me is people that constantly bring up racism... can't we just think of eachother as people and not colors? It's somewhat ridiculous to continue this debate...

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Dude... the only thing that brings up racism to me is people that constantly bring up racism... can't we just think of eachother as people and not colors? It's somewhat ridiculous to continue this debate...

it might be easy for a white person not to think about racism whereas a black person would encounter it everyday in some form or another

here's a recent NYtimes article on how white refs discriminate against black players in the NBA (the one place you'd think would be free from racism against blacks)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/02/sports/basketball/02refs.html?hp

Originally posted by masterbruce
it might be easy for a white person not to think about racism whereas a black person would encounter it everyday in some form or another

here's a recent NYtimes article on how white refs discriminate against black players in the NBA (the one place you'd think would be free from racism against blacks)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/02/sports/basketball/02refs.html?hp

nice post

Originally posted by masterbruce
it might be easy for a white person not to think about racism whereas a black person would encounter it everyday in some form or another

here's a recent NYtimes article on how white refs discriminate against black players in the NBA (the one place you'd think would be free from racism against blacks)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/02/sports/basketball/02refs.html?hp

good job Bruce

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
can't we just think of eachother as people and not colors? It's somewhat ridiculous to continue this debate...

ideally yes...but unfortunately, racism is prevalent in this world...against every race and in every country, so it will always be a very relevant topic

what i've learned: white people have the right to security that comes from racial power (which is weird, because i've never known a white man to connect ot say, george bush solely on grounds of race) and black people have the right to ***** endlessly about things that happened a two hundred years ago, so as to legitimize the lack of enterprising. it's so simple...

kam, you're making us all look bad. shut up and deal.

oh, and:

Originally posted by manorastroman
KAM: if a person with TWO phd's at and even finer institution (ie someone with even more credentials than the woman you reference) told you something different, perhaps that white right is a myth, would you believe him/her?

Originally posted by manorastroman
what i've learned: white people have the right to security that comes from racial power (which is weird, because i've never known a white man to connect ot say, george bush solely on grounds of race) and black people have the right to ***** endlessly about things that happened a two hundred years ago, so as to legitimize the lack of enterprising. it's so simple...

kam, you're making us all look bad. shut up and deal.

oh, and:

no.... your simply an idiot....who doesnt know jack shit, making us all look bad, you are uneducated.....

and to tell you the truth i dont argue with people who dont know, what they are talking about.

And the whole Phd thing means, that...while i have gone to school, and through reading and learning have built an opinion, but you on the other hand simply form your own on zero facts whatsoever... before you are so quick to point fingers, you should learn about the stratification of society, and the systems of globalization, then you can make comments, because then you will know what you are talking about.

and I have a 4.0 and am transferring to UCLA, I have no criminal record, and was brought up in a harsh inner-city.... talk what you know.

stratification? funny way to spell excuse. i fail to see what your personal history has to do with anything. and i double don't understand why my opinion that endless race bitching is keeping us down (hard to take someone seriously when they preach race relations, especially in the manner you've assumed) makes me uneducated (did you ever stop to think you might be talking to someone with a phd of their own? 😉 ). and i TRIPLE don't understand why you won't answer a very simple question:

KAM: if a person with TWO phd's at and even finer institution (ie someone with even more credentials than the woman you reference) told you something different, perhaps that white right is a myth, would you believe him/her?

EDIT: did you say you're tranferring to UCLA? it makes perfect sense now! you've taken a few uni level sociology courses and decided that your professor and textbooks are tantamount to god's word. pity, that.

Originally posted by manorastroman
stratification? funny way to spell excuse. i fail to see what your personal history has to do with anything. and i double don't understand why my opinion that endless race bitching is keeping us down makes me uneducated (did you ever stop to think you might be talking to someone with a phd of their own? 😉 ). and i TRIPLE don't understand why you won't answer a very simple question:

KAM: if a person with TWO phd's at and even finer institution (ie someone with even more credentials than the woman you reference) told you something different, perhaps that white right is a myth, would you believe him/her?

a funny way of saying excuse.......yeah... so once again, are you educated in the subject??? explain the main factors of class, explain them!

And no i wouldnt beleive it, because if someone with 3 PhD's tells me that black people deserve nothing for slavery, that we should simply stop "bitching", and that Racismn is all in our minds... if he said it to my face...well Id ask him for some proof...because i love facts

why i can't take you seriously: you made a logic jump from "we deserve nothing from slavery" and "we should stop bitching" all the way to "racism is all in our minds".

moreover, you can't "prove" sociological phenomenon. it's not as if it's a math equation. there's enough so called facts in soft sciences like sociology that ANYBODY can believe what they want, and back it up with "facts".

so, if a professor with three phd's at harvard (let's make him/her black, if that makes you feel any better) told you that white privilege is a myth/excuse, would you believe him/her?

Originally posted by manorastroman

EDIT: did you say you're tranferring to UCLA? it makes perfect sense now! you've taken a few uni level sociology courses and decided that your professor and textbooks are tantamount to god's word. pity, that.
Originally posted by masterbruce
ideally yes...but unfortunately, racism is prevalent in this world...against every race and in every country, so it will always be a very relevant topic

Okay... this may mark me as a racist or whatever but I don't really care because I look at every race as one single entity... so maybe I just hate everyone equal but for different reasons...

Digression

Lets bring up this whole racism being prevalent. What would have happened if "whites" hadn't taken "blacks" out of africa? Is it not true that most "african americans" are better off now than if the "whites" hadn't taken them from "their" currently diseased country? I mean.... I'm just getting really sick of everyone wanting to groan about something the "blacks" never truly experienced (I'm referring to slavery). The only "blacks" that I sympathise with are the ones that experienced something first hand.... whatever.

Sorry if this is offensive or whatever but if you don't like it you can.... think of something witty.

Originally posted by manorastroman

moreover, you can't "prove" sociological phenomenon. it's not as if it's a math equation. there's enough so called facts in soft sciences like sociology that ANYBODY can believe what they want, and back it up with "facts".

actually you can prove sociological phenomenon, through...statistics.

btw, did you read the article I posted above about white referees discriminating against black players?

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Okay... this may mark me as a racist or whatever but I don't really care because I look at every race as one single entity... so maybe I just hate everyone equal but for different reasons...

if you look at every race as one single entity, then you aren't racist and you should be proud of that, this planet needs more ppl like you.

However, realize that a lot of racism is subconscious...so you might not necessarily outwardly have any negative feelings about another race in particular, but subconciously you may hold negative biases.

Originally posted by manorastroman
why i can't take you seriously: you made a logic jump from "we deserve nothing from slavery" and "we should stop bitching" all the way to "racism is all in our minds".

moreover, you can't "prove" sociological phenomenon. it's not as if it's a math equation. there's enough so called facts in soft sciences like sociology that ANYBODY can believe what they want, and back it up with "facts".

so, if a professor with three phd's at harvard (let's make him/her black, if that makes you feel any better) told you that white privilege is a myth/excuse, would you believe him/her?

Not only is sociology referred to as one of the most advanced sciences, but you didnt answer my question... why didnt you??? because you dont know what your talking about.

"facts"...there has bever once been a survey that says that white poeple are the target of any kind of racial bias...never

I just told you that they would need facts to for me to even begin to fathom these things.

Now you explain the Stratification in the American Class system, you dont have to agree with it, but explain it in your own words please, I will google your definition.

Originally posted by masterbruce
actually you can prove sociological phenomenon, through...statistics.

btw, did you read the article I posted above about white referees discriminating against black players?

there's a leap from compiling statistics to attributing reasons for those statistics. it is called a conjecture, and prone to biases and mistakes.

nope. frankly, i care more about the ants in my driveway than that.

Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Okay... this may mark me as a racist or whatever but I don't really care because I look at every race as one single entity... so maybe I just hate everyone equal but for different reasons...

Digression

Lets bring up this whole racism being prevalent. What would have happened if "whites" hadn't taken "blacks" out of africa? Is it not true that most "african americans" are better off now than if the "whites" hadn't taken them from "their" currently diseased country? I mean.... I'm just getting really sick of everyone wanting to groan about something the "blacks" never truly experienced (I'm referring to slavery). The only "blacks" that I sympathise with are the ones that experienced something first hand.... whatever.

Sorry if this is offensive or whatever but if you don't like it you can.... think of something witty.

if you can explain why Africa is a poor diseased CONTINENT right now, I will answer your question.
Originally posted by masterbruce
actually you can prove sociological phenomenon, through...statistics.

btw, did you read the article I posted above about white referees discriminating against black players?

its common, most people hate being debunked...so they would rather just ignore evidence, and then bring none of their own.

Originally posted by manorastroman
there's a leap from compiling statistics to attributing reasons for those statistics. it is called a conjecture, and prone to biases and mistakes.

nope. frankly, i care more about the ants in my driveway than that.

see what i mean...

Hed rather be ignorant and satisfied, than educated and corrected.

Originally posted by manorastroman
there's a leap from compiling statistics to attributing reasons for those statistics. it is called a conjecture, and prone to biases and mistakes.

nope. frankly, i care more about the ants in my driveway than that.

i agree with many of your points

1. bitching isn't going to help blacks rise up

ie. look at asian immigrants...they have less resources than blacks coming to this country, but they bust their ass to succeed

2. I do think alot of blame goes to the black community and their socalled leaders

ie Al Sharpton is always talking about police brutality and hate crimes...he should devote some energy to improving education and work ethic to the black community

So, can we close this thread now?

I think we stopped talking about comics quite a few pages ago.