Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ben Grimm is jewish. Psylocke is pretty popular. Wolverine. (Canadian is a minority, and given how KMC is, definitely discriminated against. 😆 ) Magneto is jewish, Apocalypse is egpytian, Superman is kryptonian (definitely a minority 😆 )and the problem with Hudlin isn't just the amping. It's the making BP win BECAUSE he is black. Like making Dr. Doom a racist, or having him bash people for being racist, when previously they had never displayed racism. Or the armlock.......GOOD GOD, WHAT THE **** WAS MCDUFFIE SMOKING!? I blame that one on Hudlin by proxy.
Name a current, caucasian comics writer who said in interviews "I don't see why people don't get it. Black IS COOL right now! In everything but comics, it's in!"
Btw, if that was Hudlin, someone needs to throw a brick at him. If it was a joke, nm. I realize it was probably a joke, but if he can call Black people the chosen ones, I wouldn't put ANYTHING past him. Hell, I'm surprised he hasn't made BP take on Sentry yet. After all, Sentry would be the perfect poster child for aryan and nazi ideals. Blond, blue-eyed, superpowered and supposedly the most powerful superhero on earth.......
Hmmmm..... 😖hifty: I think I just figured out how to get rid of Sentry.
I blame affirmative action, and IMUS.
btw: It'd be kickass to see a crossover where Captain Nazi fights Panther.
There's not really a problem with Hudlin trying to amp Black Panther up. Personally, I commend him for trying to make BP one of Marvel's top characters (as he should be). The problem is, his comics in general are a little too racially motivated. When you're writing Dr. Doom with even an ounce of racial prejudice (cause he believe's he alone is better than everyone else), then something is really wrong. He's pissing on what Jack Kirby, Christopher Priest, and even Geoff Johns have done with the character, and most other characters he interacts with.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotIf Wolverine was written in the same manner as he is. As the same character - then yes, he'd still be popular. As popular? Don't know. Storm came out at around the same time. She's one of the most recognisable Marvel characters. Touché.
Yeah thats because Storm is female. When it comes to racism against blacks men are usually targeted the most.
For example when I was at school I got all the racist abuse. There was another black kid in my class half my size who got none. It seems to me they felt threatened by me because I was taller than most people.
I dont feel that im superior because im black but theres this stereotype that black guys are more athletic got big **** and that threatens some people. Women are no threat.
Of course though im not going to claim Marvel has not come along way.
don't see how it's the responsibility of comics to represent prevailing social mores or to present a forum for symbolic redress for past injustices.
Superman et al were the works of Jewish immigrants. their audiences were, for the most part, "white" kids (I don't really think "white" is a good or clear categorisation. the bulk of Israeli Jews are european whites, the majority of Afghans are caucasian (white), Aryan is a common heritage of North India and Northern Europe ...) so they made tacit, subtle and sometimes subversive hints at other identities whilst giving characters "WASP" alter egos.
the BP-Surfer thing stinks because it's stupid. it reduces one of the most powerful and complex characters to a mere appendage... an example of the awesomeness of BP.
the 'dominance', or otherwise, of "Black culture" and the rise of the myth of the "blackman" (again unhelpfull categorisation, Arabs enslaved African tribes, African tribes enslaved other African tribes etc etc so many ethnic conflicts and tribal rivalries... there is no one racial identity, that's pure American propaganda) is part of the corporate sell... and the witting (or otherwise) accomplices are "white". the kids who buy and promulgate the cultural product, be it hiphop, clothes, language, attitude, pose, values ...
perhaps it's to do with the - from my, outsider p-o-v - vanishing of hard concrete European identities and the formation of a synthetic Americana, one that fails to address origins and merely pulls preposterous identities out of its posterior... anyway, demographics wise, it seems the US will soon be part of the hispanic speaking world 🙂
oh and I'm from the UK. British born and raised, but of Indo-subcontinental lineage 🙂
Hudlin's writing doesn't bother me because he makes Panther superior. I enjoy reading a Panther that's a few steps ahead of everyone and is usually always right. He's a genuis, and a bit smug so of course he has a superiority complex.
The problem is when Hudlin makes EVERY conflict racially motivated. Every conflict has a note of racial overtones, with Wakanda targeted becase the world is scared of black people and Dr Doom surprised by the resilence of the black folk. The stories can be good, but when a white character (of course) starts acting ignorant the book gets preachy, almost with a "see, white people always look down on black people" kind of tone. Its completely jarring and offsets everything else in the story. T'Challa is supposed to be superior, but if his superiority comes as a result of making all the characters ignorant and due solely to the colour of his skin then its a problem.
Originally posted by marvelprinceThe problem is when Hudlin makes EVERY conflict racially motivated. Every conflict has a note of racial overtones, with Wakanda targeted becase the world is scared of black people and Dr Doom surprised by the resilence of the black folk. The stories can be good, but when a white character (of course) starts acting ignorant the book gets preachy, almost with a "see, white people always look down on black people" kind of tone. Its completely jarring and offsets everything else in the story. T'Challa is supposed to be superior, but if his superiority comes as a result of making all the characters ignorant and due solely to the colour of his skin then its a problem.
Id agree with that.
I think its been said but this really isn't a case of amping, Black Panther should get more respect than he does.
But to make everything an issue of race, thats the issue, the most idiotic think I have seen is the Panther and Surfer thing and Hudlin didn't write that.
Hudlin seems to me to be a very angry guy and hes very angry at white people and that shows through in his writing, everyone is prejudice to a certain degree at the end of the day.
But the question is, should we be letting our prejudices get the better of us when writing a comic book which is meant to take the reader away from everyday issues for a while.
Its a comic book not a political statement, that is why I personaly dislike how Hudlin writes.
Originally posted by Hercules
Hudlin seems to me to be a very angry guy and hes very angry at white people and that shows through in his writing, everyone is prejudice to a certain degree at the end of the day.
You know what, its wrong to feel that way but I can understand sometimes why some black people behave the way they do.
Originally posted by Hercules
But the question is, should we be letting our prejudices get the better of us when writing a comic book which is meant to take the reader away from everyday issues for a while.
No we shouldnt.
Originally posted by AlfheimI dont feel that im superior because im black but theres this stereotype that black guys are more athletic got big **** and that threatens some people. Women are no threat.
Hey man , if you have a bigger wang the me I have no problem with that. I'm happy with my own body.
Originally posted by grey fox
Hey man , if you have a bigger wang the me I have no problem with that. I'm happy with my own body.
Bro dont get me wrong. Im not saying its ok to think like that but thats how some people behave, you get me? Some people do feel well and truly threatened by black people (men) in my experience. I dont want to go into detail but I aint making **** up.
God, the devaluation of the word racism/racist needs to end NOW. People seem to be using it like they use the word '****' or 'whore'. In other words, you no longer have to be a racist to be called a racist. Problems will arise when something TRULY racist comes along, because then people either won't recognize it or just dismiss it as another example of black people victimizing themselves. That would be a very dangerous development.
Unfortunately, Reggie seems hellbent on sweeping the rug under society's feet.
How may of you have lived in black neighborhoods or actually interacted with African Americans on a day to day basis? How may of you have lived or even been in the more pore parts of your major cities? Take the time out and do so. You may realize that the world isn't all nice and pretty and while Africans Americans have made leaps and bounds racism still exist.
Originally posted by His AirnessI did I lived in Memphis, TN and iwas the only white kid in my class and trust me Black people are no saints when it comes to their own burdens. 😬
How may of you have lived in black neighborhoods or actually interacted with African Americans on a day to day basis? How may of you have lived or even been in the more pore parts of your major cities? Take the time out and do so. You may realize that the world isn't all nice and pretty and while Africans Americans have made leaps and bounds racism still exist.
Originally posted by His Airness
How may of you have lived in black neighborhoods or actually interacted with African Americans on a day to day basis? How may of you have lived or even been in the more pore parts of your major cities? Take the time out and do so. You may realize that the world isn't all nice and pretty and while Africans Americans have made leaps and bounds racism still exist.
Stop pretending that white people don't understand anything. Racism exists among black people as well.