Question for those who claim Hudlin is racist

I have lived in memphis as well yea not so pretty, and yea people not so nice. i got robbed twice in a 3 month period. how can u say people like or identify with certain comic book characters bc of their race? i surely dont, well it would be hard to find on with my ethnic background. actually i dont even look at a comic book character as white or black or purple or green to be honesty. when u said wolverine i was like wow he is white isnt he? well he is so hairy u cant tell lol. to me they are just superheros or villians. when i think of one character like you said wolverine i think claws, cigar, hair, healing, and kickass but not that he is white. they are all "FICTIONAL CHARACTERS" to quote ben affleck from jay and silent bob lol but yea Hudlin hmmm i would say just maybe yes he is or its just that black pride stuff or power to the people lol. its not what u are its who u are. 😛 im tried of people saying oh u dont know what its like blahblah i think everyone has been thru some kind of prejudice situation.

Here's my two cents on this matter....

What are we really arguing here!?

If its panther putting surfer in a "cosmic armlock", yeah, it was crap, I know its crap, the writer probably knows its crap, people who don't even read comics probably know its crap.....but here is a solution.

GET OVER IT.

In a few months, we well probably see Hulk shitstomp a fully powered, Juggernaut, or we might see Cap return to life in the next 10 issues of his comic with some BS magic or tech. Crap things are going to happen in comics all the time. Grow up and get over it. THERE F***** COMICS.

Or are we arguing how reggie is racist!?

Does anybody know that, Hudlin actually turned down the Black Panther three times, does anybody know that Marvel wanted Hudlin to portray Black panther the way he is being portrayed. Did anybody actually take the time to do a little research, and realize marvel wants Black panther to be as well known and popular as...

Gasp

Thor, or Captain America, wolverine, maybe spiderman, or even Hulk and Silver Surfer.

Reggie Hudlin is not a racist, he is however, a race man, he makes fun of blacks, just as fast as points out racism from other cultures.

And I don't see how he is portraying Black Panther wrong!?

Lets see, what are some of his qualities.

Black panther is, Arrogant, Over Confident, he has that "Im above you all" complex, genius level intellect, deep thinker, He right 99% of the time, etc etc etc.

Hudlin did not give panther this qualities, he did not mess up the panther character as most believe, Jack Kirby gave T'challa these qualities, he gave panther the most powerful nation on the planet, he gave T'challa his foundation, Christopher priest took it to the next level, and Hudlins pushing it a little further.

Guess what...............Every new writer, to a new book does this, they get the character and say, what can I improve on, what can I make better.

When Marvel hired him, they said, make Black panther better at EVERYTHING.

So, thats what Hudlins doing.

I will admit this, I do think they are going about it the wrong way, but, it is what it is.

The racism is a whole other subject, My head hurts and I don't really care to talk about it, I will just say this, the truth of racism is its ugly, just look at the forum.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Many on KMC claim Hudlin is racist for amping BP up so much, so my question is:

Is it racist for a white writer to amp up a white superhero beyond what he is perceived to be (ie Wolverine)?

BTW, I am not black, for anyone wondering. I just don't like double standards.

wolverine is just a bad example to since his only real up grade has been his healing factor. He a mutant the more he uses his power the stronger it gets it makes sense his heal would get more powerful over the years.

black panther has no such reasons and is being amp out of no were.

Originally posted by capt it up
sorry wolverine is a abd example. for a number of reason. He not amped up. He a mutant and like all mutant he evolves and has stated up grades. Black panther is a normal man who took a herb. He does not get more powerful nor has he ever been stated to have an up grade.

wolverine is just a bad example to since his only real up grade has been his healing factor. He a mutant the more he uses his power the stronger it gets it makes sense his heal would get more powerful over the years.

black panther has no such reasons and is being amp out of no were.

Dude, this not about wolverine, geesh Capt.

Originally posted by His Airness
How may of you have lived in black neighborhoods or actually interacted with African Americans on a day to day basis? How may of you have lived or even been in the more pore parts of your major cities? Take the time out and do so. You may realize that the world isn't all nice and pretty and while Africans Americans have made leaps and bounds racism still exist.

Good Lord, this is all a matter of 'social reparation.' Hudlin feels he needs to 'represent' in a medium that was (was) relatively devoid of minorities. He thinks the comics industry owes the black community an uber-cool, unbeatable, bad-ass character, almost along the lines of a black Superman. He's going to make the white man pay for all those years of creating Caucasian characters.

Originally posted by Soljer
Aren't you like fifteen? Don't preach your wisdom here, and don't think you're unique growing up in a dump. You aren't the only one that's had to deal with the 'ugly, mean' world.

True ignorance spoken. It's baffling to me you believe age is what determines the struggles and obstacles you've faced in your life and if you're young you must keep your mouth closed on a subject you find ridicules. Also, I do not live in a dump. I live in a very comfortable home where one parent is a physician and the other works in management at a local hospital. We are upper-income. However I do know the hard ships and struggles African Americans face as I go to a very poor school, in a more poor area in South Kansas City. I've seen a lot of things that a child has no business seeing, I've heard a lot of things no child needs to hear, and I've been treated in ways that no child deserves to be treated. I fully understand why Hudlin would make a statement such as the one he made.

Never once did I imply I was unique nor did I ask for anyone's sympathy. However I do find it funny that the majority of this board has acted in such a childish and infantile manner over the mischaracterization of an African American character, when the coequal has been done for white characters throughout the history of the industry. The idea that a writer would be considered racist for overwriting an African American character is ridicules.

This is something I know all to well, which is one of the reasons I'm so disappointed in the African American community today. What I do know is that most of you have little understanding of why a black person my have a prejudice.

Originally posted by His Airness
True ignorance spoken. It's baffling to me you believe age is what determines the struggles and obstacles you've faced in your life and if you're young you must keep your mouth closed on a subject you find ridicules. Also, I do not live in a dump. I live in a very comfortable home where one parent is a physician and the other works in management at a local hospital. We are upper-income. However I do know the hard ships and struggles African Americans face as I go to a very poor school, in a more poor area in South Kansas City. I've seen a lot of things that a child has no business seeing, I've heard a lot of things no child needs to hear, and I've been treated in ways that no child deserves to be treated. I fully understand why Hudlin would make a statement such as the one he made.

Never once did I imply I was unique nor did I ask for anyone's sympathy. However I do find it funny that the majority of this board has acted in such a childish and infantile manner over the mischaracterization of an African American character, when the coequal has been done for white characters throughout the history of the industry. The idea that a writer would be considered racist for overwriting an African American character is ridicules.

This is something I know all to well, which is one of the reasons I'm so disappointed in the African American community today. What I do know is that most of you have little understanding of why a black person my have a prejudice.

Quite true.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Stop pretending that white people don't understand anything. Racism exists among black people as well.

Thats your own interpretation of my post. Never did I say that white people as a whole don't understand anything. Basically what I'm saying is that it's ridicules to consider Hudlin racist for writing his comics to mirror how he views the world. Especially when most don't understand why he writes the way he does, and why he may have a prejudice.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Dude, this not about wolverine, geesh Capt.

black panther being amp for no reason not to mention his writer loves to bring up the fact black panther is black........who the **** cares what color he is.

The authors should be subjective and not allow such things as some ones race to be a center point in every issue

Originally posted by His Airness
True ignorance spoken. It's baffling to me you believe age is what determines the struggles and obstacles you've faced in your life and if you're young you must keep your mouth closed on a subject you find ridicules. Also, I do not live in a dump. I live in a very comfortable home where one parent is a physician and the other works in management at a local hospital. We are upper-income. However I do know the hard ships and struggles African Americans face as I go to a very poor school, in a more poor area in South Kansas City. I've seen a lot of things that a child has no business seeing, I've heard a lot of things no child needs to hear, and I've been treated in ways that no child deserves to be treated. I fully understand why Hudlin would make a statement such as the one he made.

Never once did I imply I was unique nor did I ask for anyone's sympathy. However I do find it funny that the majority of this board has acted in such a childish and infantile manner over the mischaracterization of an African American character, when the coequal has been done for white characters throughout the history of the industry. The idea that a writer would be considered racist for overwriting an African American character is ridicules.

This is something I know all to well, which is one of the reasons I'm so disappointed in the African American community today. What I do know is that most of you have little understanding of why a black person my have a prejudice.

What white characters have been played up by writers for the sole reason that the character is white?

Hudlin said that he would feel safer if only the "chosen people" existed. There's prejudice and then there's crazed foamy mouthed hatred.

How can you know what understanding people on this board have of why people are racists of any sort anyway?

Originally posted by capt it up
no but he was sued as an exmaple and as I posted he a bad example. He is black panther are not similar comparing the two is rediculous.

black panther being amp for no reason not to mention his writer loves to bring up the fact black panther is black........who the **** cares what color he is.

The authors should be subjective and not allow such things as some ones race to be a center point in every issue

The comparison was fair. He feels that if Wolverine was black, than he would not be as popular. Something that is debatable and may or may not be true.

Originally posted by His Airness
The comparison was fair. He feels that if Wolverine was black, than he would not be as popular. Something that is debatable and may or may not be true.

not to mention logan is canadian...........a lot of people dislike canada.

And even more dislike the U.S.; what's your point?

Originally posted by His Airness

However I do find it funny that the majority of this board has acted in such a childish and infantile manner over the mischaracterization of an African American character, when the coequal has been done for white characters throughout the history of the industry.

Originally posted by His Airness The idea that a writer would be considered racist for overwriting an African American character is ridicules.

That's Hudlin.

Originally posted by His Airness This is something I know all to well, which is one of the reasons I'm so disappointed in the African American community today. What I do know is that most of you have little understanding of why a black person my have a prejudice.

Or that he should be able to portray all of caucasian Marvel to be racist, because he's prejudice?

And, you saying that he rightfully has a prejudice means nothing. Most people who have posted so far have been saying that he is a racist, or is strongly racially influenced in his writing. You saying that he has aright to be that way is pointless.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
What white characters have been played up by writers for the sole reason that the character is white?

Hudlin said that he would feel safer if only the "chosen people" existed. There's prejudice and then there's crazed foamy mouthed hatred.

How can you know what understanding people on this board have of why people are racists of any sort anyway?

There's no need to as white characters are already popular. White Americans are the number 1 consumer of comics, which may explain why 95% of comic characters are white. Hudlin may feel the need to overwrite BP as to bring up the popularity of black characters.

I know exactly what he said and I understand exactly why he would say it. Ask an Arab American the same question and I'm almost positive his or her answer will be identical.

Look at the post, they explain themselves.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Oh, really? Notify me the next time a white character accuses Falcon, Mr. Terrific, or Psylocke of being racist. Or some other character that has never been shown to be influenced through ethnicity, nationality, race, or plain skin color. It's not neccessarily for overwriting him, as it is for highlighting every single black character in comics, and downplaying every single white character, on top of accusing well known caucasian characters of being racist, as well as have every single event this character is involved in be racially motivated.

That's Hudlin.

Are you suggesting that, because Hudlin may have been through events in his own life that were scaring, and/or racially motivated, that he should have a right to take a well known comics character, with a history all his own, and bastardize him because Hudlin has a grudge against the world?

Or that he should be able to portray all of caucasian Marvel to be racist, because he's prejudice?

And, you saying that he rightfully has a prejudice means nothing. Most people who have posted so far have been saying that he is a racist, or is strongly racially influenced in his writing. You saying that he has aright to be that way is pointless.

I knew it would come to this. Us bickering about whats more racist this or that.

I'll address your post at a later time, I'm cooking right now.

Originally posted by His Airness
There's no need to as white characters are already popular. White Americans are the number 1 consumer of comics, which may explain why 95% of comic characters are white. Hudlin may feel the need to overwrite BP as to bring up the popularity of black characters.

Actually Japan is the #1 consumer of comics for all age groups by a rather wide margin (interestingly much artwork in manga borders on qualifying for racist work when nonJapanese characters are protrayed)

The predominance of white characters in comics says very little about the world today. What it does show is that when comics were at the height of their popularity there was in fact a good deal of racial bias. It's hard is financially risky to create a new character which is why the old characters are still around.

Originally posted by His Airness
I know exactly what he said and I understand exactly why he would say it. Ask an Arab American the same question and I'm almost positive his or her answer will be identical.

Sure . . .

"Once only the chosen white people are left I'll be able to sleep easy at night."
Could you understand why a white person might say this?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

"Once only the chosen white people are left I'll be able to sleep easy at night."
Could you understand why a white person might say this?

I can't understand it if a white person said this is America.

But if a white person who had gone through Apartheid in Sourth Africa said it, I could understand it.

Originally posted by masterbruce
I can't understand it if a white person said this is America.

But if a white person who had gone through Apartheid in Sourth Africa said it, I could understand it.