God (YHWH) has fans: Allah, Muhammed, Muslims

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
The problem is, that you exect us to accept that the Bible is fact. Some of us do not.
Muslims claim that Bible prophesied Muhammad. Their belief and views are as reliable as the Bible, and you cannot use Bible to claim that their interpretation is ''wrong''.
We had a discussion about interpretation. There isn't a single ''right'' one, so you don't really have a point.

My point is simply that the Bible never mentions Allah or Muhammed. So if the God of the Bible (YHWH) and the god of the Qu'ran are one and the same then there ought to be some agreement between the two with respect to both books. But there is not one iota of evidence that they are the same person. There is no correlation between what the Bible reveals and what the Qu'ran states. The Bible and the Qu'ran have nothing in common.

That is where you are wrong. There is a single right interpretation of the Bible. There may not exist one for the Qu'ran but their is definitely one for the Bible. Furthermore, I am not using the Bible to claim that their interpretation is wrong, I am using their own book: the Qu'ran to show that God (YHWH) and Allah are not the same person.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
My point is simply that the Bible never mentions Allah or Muhammed. So if the God of the Bible (YHWH) and the god of the Qu'ran are one and the same then there ought to be some agreement between the two with respect to both books. But there is not one iota of evidence that they are the same person. There is no correlation between what the Bible reveals and what the Qu'ran states. The Bible and the Qu'ran have nothing in common.

That is where you are wrong. There is a single right interpretation of the Bible. There may not exist one for the Qu'ran but their is definitely one for the Bible. Furthermore, I am not using the Bible to claim that their interpretation is wrong, I am using their own book: the Qu'ran to show that God (YHWH) and Allah are not the same person.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
...That is where you are wrong. There is a single right interpretation of the Bible...

That is your belief. However, it lead to blindness and suffering of the "soul".

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Qu'ran repeatedly talks about Jesus, His mother Mary, and Christians, but the Bible (the Word of the living God YHWH [B]never talks about Muhammed, Allah, Islam, or Muslims.

Have you ever wondered why the Bible never mentions Muhammed, Allah, Islam, or Muslims--not even once. But the writers of the Qu'ran cannot stop talking about Jesus, Christians, and Mary.

Is Allah a fan of YHWH, is Muhammed a fan of Jesus? [/B]

I wonder why the bible does not talk about Allah.For one thing he is not real.Sorry going by my thoughts not trying to offend anyone.jm

Originally posted by Strangelove
Well if you read anyone else's posts, then you'd have realized that the Qu'ran was written 500 years or so after the Bible.

But you are missing my point: if God (YHWH) and Allah are one and the same then why don't their writings say so? Why isn't their any agreement between the Bible and the Qu'ran about something as simple as this? I created this thread to point up the fact that YHWH and Allah are not the same person. God practically states from Genesis to Revelation that He has a Son yet the Qu'ran denies this fact repeatedly. So just because it was written 500 years later it should still agree with the Bible if it came from God (YHWH). But it doesn't agree, it doesn't even come close. There are so many discrepancies and inconsistencies in the Qu'ran relative to the Bible that it is obvious that it did not come from God. But the Bible (which is a collection of 66 different books, written by 40 different writers over a 1600 year period) is extraordinarily harmonious. There is not one book in the Bible that denies that God has a Son. There is not one page of Scripture where God is called Allah. There is not one chapter or verse that lacks continuity. One can read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and personally observe how congruent each book of the Bible is and how it correlates and fits in with another book.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But you are missing my point: if God (YHWH) and Allah are one and the same then why don't their writings say so? Why isn't their any agreement between the Bible and the Qu'ran about something as simple as this? I created this thread to point up the fact that YHWH and Allah are not the same person. God practically states from Genesis to Revelation that He has a Son yet the Qu'ran denies this fact repeatedly. So just because it was written 500 years later it should still agree with the Bible if it came from God (YHWH). But it doesn't agree, it doesn't even come close. There are so many discrepancies and inconsistencies in the Qu'ran relative to the Bible that it is obvious that it did not come from God. But the Bible (which is a collection of 66 different books, written by 40 different writers over a 1600 year period) is extraordinarily harmonious. There is not one book in the Bible that denies that God has a Son. There is not one page of Scripture where God is called Allah. There is not one chapter or verse that lacks continuity. One can read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and personally observe how congruent each book of the Bible is and how it correlates and fits in with another book.

Because they are both myths.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[COLOR=darkblue]There is not one page of Scripture where God is called Allah. COLOR]

You were hinging your argument on the fact that Neither the bible nor the Qu'ran clarifies that God is Allah. They don't have too. For two reasons.

A. God=Allah. The two terms are synonymous. Everytime you hear the Qu'ran saying Allah, they are not saying that is God's name. Allah is a word for God. It means God.

B. Since both religions are monotheistic, it is ASSUMED that the God they refer to (YHWH or Allah, the two are interchangeable) is the one true God. Therefore, that God's identity does not need to be clarified. It's taken as a given that Allah/God is himself.

Originally posted by King Kandy
This is where your argument falls flat... Since Allah MEANS God, that's a pretty stupid argument.

You were hinging your argument on the fact that Neither the bible nor the Qu'ran clarifies that God is Allah. They don't have too. For two reasons.

A. God=Allah. The two terms are synonymous. Everytime you hear the Qu'ran saying Allah, they are not saying that is God's name. Allah is a word for God. It means God.

B. Since both religions are monotheistic, it is ASSUMED that the God they refer to (YHWH or Allah, the two are interchangeable) is the one true God. Therefore, that God's identity does not need to be clarified. It's taken as a given that Allah/God is himself.

My argument is as solid now as it was before I wrote this post. God (YHWH) and Allah are not the same person because Allah denies having a son. This is the crux of this discussion. The Bible states that it is impossible for God to lie. Since this is true God cannot state in the Bible that Jesus is the Son of His love (i.e. His dear, beloved Son) then state that He does not have a Son. This would be a glaring contradiction. The very foundation of the gospel rests on the Truth that God has a Son.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes [B]in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.[/B]

Without Jesus Christ we would all be hopelessly consigned to Hell forever. Thank God that He has a Son!

Proverbs 30:4
Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?
Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has bound the waters in a garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is His name, and what is His Son’s name, If you know?

But the Qu'ran (which so many people erroneously call the word of God) denies this cardinal Truth: that the God of the Bible (YHWH the true and living God) does indeed have a Son: Jesus Christ the righteous. The God of the Bible calls Jesus Christ His Son and Jesus Christ calls the God of the Bible His Father.

Can you see this King Kandy?

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I wonder why the bible does not talk about Allah.For one thing he is not real.Sorry going by my thoughts not trying to offend anyone.jm

I agree Allah is not real, he is an idol, the moon god to be exact.

http://www.ericbarger.com/whoisallah.htm

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I agree Allah is not real, he is an idol, the moon god to be exact.

http://www.ericbarger.com/whoisallah.htm

The crux of the discussion is right! The Quran only follows CERTAIN parts of the bible, you are 100% correct there.

But there is equally no doubt that Allah is stated to be the God of Abraham in the Qu'ran.

Ah, contradictions...

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
This is one time that I want you to back up what you write Gregory. I don't know if I have ever asked you to do this.

[B]Can you just once show me chapter and verse where God talks about Allah?

You claim that the Bible talks about Allah all the time, but I ask for just one reference of this (just one). [/B]

It's not my job to educate idiots who refuse to learn. And you demanding that other people back up statements breaks my irony meter.

"In the beginning, there was Allah..."

You know that Allah is just Arabic for "God" because people have told you so many times.

You would know that Muslims worship the Christian god--or maybe it would be more appropriate to say Jewish god?--if you weren't uttely blinded by hatered and biggotry. It's been so, so clearly pointed out that your "Moon god" garbage is just that--garbage--and yet you can't stop spewing it. Why do you do this? Do you get off on publicly humiliating yourself?

I've said it before and I'll say it again--its a damn good thing most people here know better then to judge your religionj based on you. You disgrace yourself, and your faith.

Originally posted by Gregory
It's not my job to educate idiots who refuse to learn. And you demanding that other people back up statements breaks my irony meter.

"In the beginning, there was Allah..."

You know that Allah is just Arabic for "God" because people have told you so many times.

Why do you do this? Do you get off on publicly humiliating yourself?

I have shown repeatedly that they cannot be the same person (and they are not). Therefore, the God of the Bible and Allah are not one and the same. God (YHWH) has a Son, but Allah denies having a son.

Can you see this Gregory?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Get a grip... Allah is an Islamic word for the god of Abraham.

It is impossible for the God of the Bible (YHWH) and Allah to be the same person. It is revealed throughout the Bible (in a number of books) that God has a Son. But according to the Qu'ran Allah denies having a son. You know why? Because the God of the Bible and Allah are not the same person.

You haven't shown anything

Have you read the Koran? Do you deny that Allah is clearly, repeatedly, and explicitly stated to be the god of Abraham?

Originally posted by Gregory
You haven't shown jack squat; I see a bigot wallowing in his own ignorance, and I'm not sure why I thought it would be a good idea to try to talk to you again. Nostalgia?

Have you read the Koran? Do you deny that Allah is clearly, repeatedly, and explicitly stated to be the god of Abraham?

You are side-stepping the fact that there is a glaring contradiction between what you say about the God of the Bible and Allah. You seem to lack the ability to counter what I say with a cogent response, and instead resort to name-calling.

🙁

I ditched the name-calling before you responded (and does someone who claims I'm a sinner who's going to hell for all eternity even have the right to complain? Ah well.). And I am not side-stepping anything. Let's try an analogy.

The hero of our analogy is a man named Bob Myers. You don't know him, because he doesn't exist, but in the world of our analogy, he is extremely famous. So famous, in fact, that he has had numerous biographies written about him. The two most popular biographies, of course, are "Bob Myer: His Life and Times" and "The Bob Myers Story."

Now Bob, as we know, is quite the contentious figure. He's been at the center of numerous scandles, and rumors run rampant about him. The most popular rumor is that he has a wife running around somewhere; he married her, it is said, durring his ten-year stay in India. Nobody knows for sure, though.

Jack Frit, the author of "His Life and Times" states catagorically in his book that Bob did, in fact, get married while in India.

Zak Writ, author of "The Bob Myers Story" claims in his best-selling book that this is nothing but an absurd legend.

We know have two books, about the same person, that explicitly contradict each other.

Do you see where I am going with this?

If someone was claiming that the Koran and the Bible are both perfectly accurate representations of God/Allah, then the fact that they contradict each other would mean something. Congratulations--you've convincingly demonstrated that they can't both be right.

That is not the same, however, as proving that Allah isn't YHWH.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You are side-stepping the fact that there is a glaring contradiction between what you say about the God of the Bible and Allah. You seem to lack the ability to counter what I say with a cogent response, and instead resort to name-calling.

🙁

You never answered his question: have you ever read the Koran??

If you havent then shut the hell up. And saying "I've read a couple pages" deosn't count.

Originally posted by Gregory
I ditched the name-calling before you responded (and does someone who claims I'm a sinner who's going to hell for all eternity even have the right to complain? Ah well.). And I am not side-stepping anything. Let's try an analogy.

The hero of our analogy is a man named Bob Myers. You don't know him, because he doesn't exist, but in the world of our analogy, he is extremely famous. So famous, in fact, that he has had numerous biographies written about him. The two most popular biographies, of course, are "Bob Myer: His Life and Times" and "The Bob Myers Story."

Now Bob, as we know, is quite the contentious figure. He's been at the center of numerous scandles, and rumors run rampant about him. The most popular rumor is that he has a wife running around somewhere; he married her, it is said, durring his ten-year stay in India. Nobody knows for sure, though.

Jack Frit, the author of "His Life and Times" states catagorically in his book that Bob did, in fact, get married while in India.

Zak Writ, author of "The Bob Myers Story" claims in his best-selling book that this is nothing but an absurd legend.

We know have two books, about the same person, that explicitly contradict each other.

Do you see where I am going with this?

If someone was claiming that the Koran and the Bible are both perfectly accurate representations of God/Allah, then the fact that they contradict each other would mean something. Congratulations--you've convincingly demonstrated that they can't both be right.

That is not the same, however, as proving that Allah isn't YHWH.

No, I don't know where you are going with this (sorry).

There is a difference between saying that the Bible contradicts itself (which it does not) and saying that there is a contradiction between what you say about the God of the Bible and Allah being one and the same person. The contradiction is on the Islamic side of the fence concerning the fallacy that God (YHWH) and Allah are the same person. Remember: the Bible was written first so the contradiction must be with the Qu'ran not with the Bible. Moreover, if the God of the Bible and Allah were the same person then their respective books ought to correspond. But the fact of the matter is that the message and contents of the Qu'ran (which came later) does not agree with the (it is completely incompatible and inconsistent) with the Truth of the Bible.

God (YHWH) and Allah are not one and the same person. You seem to repeatedly gloss over this point (and this is the crux of the discussion).

Can you see this Gregory?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You never answered his question: have you ever read the Koran??

If you havent then shut the hell up. And saying "I've read a couple pages" deosn't count.

I have read enough of the Qu'ran to know and conclude that it is not God's (YHWH's) Book, and that Allah and the God of the Bible are absolutely, positively, unequivocally, and incontrovertibly--not the same person.