God (YHWH) has fans: Allah, Muhammed, Muslims

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No, I don't know where you are going with this (sorry).

There is a difference between saying that the Bible contradicts itself (which it does not) and saying that there is a contradiction between what you say about the God of the Bible and Allah being one and the same person. The contradiction is on the Islamic side of the fence concerning the fallacy that God (YHWH) and Allah are the same person. Remember: the Bible was written first so the contradiction must be with the Qu'ran not with the Bible. Moreover, if the God of the Bible and Allah were the same person then their respective books ought to correspond. But the fact of the matter is that the message and contents of the Qu'ran (which came later) does not agree with the (it is completely incompatible and inconsistent) with the Truth of the Bible.

God (YHWH) and Allah are not one and the same person. You seem to repeatedly gloss over this point (and this is the crux of the discussion).

Can you see this Gregory?

Well, I tried. I think that the other people in this thread understand me, and I literally do not see how I can be any more clear. You say, "Moreover, if the God of the Bible and Allah were the same person then their respective books ought to correspond." Was my analogy really so poor that you didn't even get this from it? Books can be about the same person, place, or organizations and still contradict each other. You can't have two perfectly accurate books about the same person that contradict each other, but I don't suppose you believe the Koran is perfectly accurate.

Whether Bob has a wife or not, Life and Times and Story are still both about him.

Whether God has a son or not (I was originally going to actually use "illigitimate son" in my analogy to drive it home, but I thought you might think it was disrespectful), the Bible and the Koran are still both about him.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God (YHWH) and Allah are not one and the same person. You seem to repeatedly gloss over this point (and this is the crux of the discussion).

Yes they are. "Allah" simply means God in Arabic, just like "Yahweh" does in Hebrew, just like "God" does in English. Thats what you don't understand.

If you've really read 'enough' of the Koran (as you claim) then you would know that book states a million times that "Allah" (which again, is just the Arabic word for God) is the god of Adam, Abraham, Noa, Moses, and Jesus.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I have read enough of the Qu'ran

Nope, not good enough.

And the rest of your post is bullshit by the way.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[[B]"Let Us... Our image... Our likeness...."[COLOR=darkblue]is talking about the triune God of which Jesus Christ is included. [/B]

No, it does not. It's about humanity, the creation of man. It absolutely does not involve the Jewish prophecy that Jesus later, among many others....many other contemporaries I might add...included himself. Jesus simply won the "who fits the self-procliamed bill?" lottery. That's why you're still talking about him today. On top of all that, you chastise the catholics for their beliefs but then turn around and say that god has mulitple personality disorder? This persona is so full of shit it should be wiping it's mouth after it speaks.

Again, I shouldn't have to explain your own religion to you.

Originally posted by Gregory
Well, I tried. I think that the other people in this thread understand me, and I literally do not see how I can be any more clear. You say, "Moreover, if the God of the Bible and Allah were the same person then their respective books ought to correspond." Was my analogy really so poor that you didn't even get this from it? Books can be about the same person, place, or organizations and still contradict each other.

The contradiction concerns a cardinal Truth of the Bible that God has a Son. The fact that the Qu'ran denies this is a powerful case against the God of the Bible and Allah being the same person. I mean it is one thing to contradict something in an area that is minute and trivial, but the very foundation of faith for millions of people rests on the Truth that God has a Son, Who died for the sins of the entire world according to the Bible (i.e. the Scriptures). That He was buried and then that He rose the third day so that whoever puts their faith in Him (the Son of God who the Qu'ran flat out denies) will not perish but have everlasting life. How in the world can the Qu'ran drop the ball on something as critical as God having a Son?

How?

I tell you how: because the God of the Bible and Allah are not the same person (period). Sorry, but these are the facts.

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Originally posted by Devil King
No, it does not. It's about humanity, the creation of man. It [b]absolutely does not involve the Jewish prophecy that Jesus later, among many others....many other contemporaries I might add...included himself. Jesus simply won the "who fits the self-procliamed bill?" lottery. That's why you're still talking about him today. On top of all that, you chastise the catholics for their beliefs but then turn around and say that god has mulitple personality disorder? This persona is so full of shit it should be wiping it's mouth after it speaks.

Again, I shouldn't have to explain your own religion to you. [/B]

I absolutely did not understand a word of what you wrote. Could you please try again?

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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
How in the world can the Qu'ran drop the ball on something as critical as God having a Son?

If youve actually read the Koran like you said you did, you would have your answer.

In fact thats addressed in like the fourth or fifth sura.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I absolutely did not understand a word of what you wrote. Could you please try again?

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Hes saying that that line in Genesis is referring to all of humankind.

Its not fortelling the coming of Christ.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But you are missing my point: if God (YHWH) and Allah are one and the same then why don't their writings say so?

They DO, you dumb fu*k! All you're doing is saying the Star Wars trilogy ended after The Empire Strikes Back and that no one had anything else to say about it! That doesn't change the fact that a 4000 year old story continued after the Torah was written.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I absolutely did not understand a word of what you wrote. Could you please try again?

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Is that supposed to suprise anyone? You don't even understand the very book you procliam to be the word of god! How are you expected to understand anything, let alone your own beliefs?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But you are missing my point: if God (YHWH) and Allah are one and the same then why don't their writings say so?

Originally posted by Devil King
Is that supposed to suprise anyone? You don't even understand the very book you procliam to be the word of god! How are you expected to understand anything, let alone your own beliefs?

Much less, a book he hasn't even read...

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The contradiction concerns a cardinal Truth of the Bible that God has a Son. The fact that the Qu'ran denies this is a powerful case against the God of the Bible and Allah being the same person. I mean it is one thing to contradict something in an area that is minute and trivial, but the very foundation of faith for millions of people rests on the Truth that God has a Son, Who died for the sins of the entire world according to the Bible (i.e. the Scriptures). That He was buried and then that He rose the third day so that whoever puts their faith in Him (the Son of God who the Qu'ran flat out denies) will not perish but have everlasting life. How in the world can the Qu'ran drop the ball on something as critical as God having a Son?

How?

I tell you how: because the God of the Bible and Allah are not the same person (period). Sorry, but these are the facts.

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Sorry, no.

Just no. "Well this is important!" is not a valid counter-argument. I'm not even sure why you'd think it was.

Apropos of nothing, but I'm curious. Have you read the Bible cover-to-cover?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Because the terms "God" and "Allah" are interchangeable.

Exactly. The dumbass doesnt understand that he's only arguing linguistics and has no point.

JIA, here's an example: "Caballo" is the Spanish word for horse. Does that mean that caballos and horses are two completely different animals?? No, they're just two different words for the exact same thing.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Much less, a book he hasn't even read...

Of course he hasn't read it. He's a sock looking for the exact reactions we're all giving him. And like I said before, "just because he's a sock doesn't mean he can't contribute to a conversation". Otherwise, he wouldn't copy and paste his beliefs. And that's actually what most christians do, they copy and paste their beliefs because of what their pastor says. They do no critical thinking or research of their own. They're the very sheep they describe themselves to be.

Again, I ask: Why has no one banned this [trolling] nutbag?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Hes saying that that line in Genesis is referring to all of humankind.

Its not fortelling the coming of Christ.

?... I didn't say that it was foretelling anything...?

I said that Genesis 1:26 substantiates that Jesus Christ is mentioned in the Torah.

Originally posted by Devil King
Of course he hasn't read it. He's a sock looking for the exact reactions we're all giving him. And like I said before, "just because he's a sock doesn't mean he can't contribute to a conversation". Otherwise, he wouldn't copy and paste his beliefs. And that's actually what most christians do, they copy and paste their beliefs because of what their pastor says. They do no critical thinking or research of their own. They're the very sheep they describe themselves to be.

Again, I ask: Why has no one banned this [trolling] nutbag?

I originally thought he was a troll, too. He sounds like one, but if he his, he's amazingly persistant..

Originally posted by Gregory
Sorry, no.

Just no. "Well this is important!" is not a valid counter-argument. I'm not even sure why you'd think it was.

Apropos of nothing, but I'm curious. Have you read the Bible cover-to-cover?

Yes, just curious, have you?

All of the New Testament, but not all of the OT.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
?... I didn't say that it was foretelling anything...?

I said that Genesis 1:26 substantiates that Jesus Christ [B]is mentioned in the Torah. [/B]

Then copy and paste the verse where it mentions the person of Jesus of Nazareth, not the prophecy he claims to have fulfilled. (which that verse does not address) "We", "Ours" and "Ours" isn't mentioning anybody by name, or even figuratively. It doesn't address it at all! Taken literally, God is talking about himself. The point with which you want to take exception is the dismissable truth that Jesus was god, or that god was talking about Jesus. If god is as all-knowing as you want to make him out to be, then surely he wouldn't have said something that wasn't so refutable and ambigious!

Originally posted by Gregory
I originally thought he was a troll, too, but if he his, he's amazingly determined.

Being a sock and a troll are two different things. Hes a sock that's trolling.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Yes, just curious, have you?

Well, way to fail at life. Loser.