Originally posted by lord xyz
You didn't look at my analogy did you?
I did see and read your analogy, but it does not change the fact that Allah is recorded as stating several times in a number of ways that he does not have a son.
Therefore...
The God of the Bible and Allah is not one and the same person.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThat's true. But the God of the Bible, is the Bible's opinion of Allah. Fruit aren't apples, but apples are fruit.
I did see and read your analogy, but it does not change the fact that Allah is recorded as stating several times in a number of ways that he does not have a son.Therefore...
The God of the Bible and Allah is not one and the same person.
Originally posted by lord xyz
They are not the same. But the God of the Bible is Allah.
I know, I know and Santa Clause, the tooth fairy, Lucky (the little Irish dude), Bullwinkle, Fred Flintstone and the rest of the gang are all real to.
😄
I know "semantically" you believe that the God of the Bible is Allah because you state that Allah means "god" in Arabic. But Jesus (God's very own Son) knows better, Abraham knew better, Isaac knew better, Jacob knew better, the apostles knew better, most Christians know better, and I know better. The Bible is God's sole revelation to humanity, and yes the Qu'ran contradicts the Bible in many instances. So, it cannot be the word of God, the Father Jesus which the god of the Qu'ran denies having.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThe Arabic version of the Bible says Allah for God. I posted you a link showing that.
I know, I know and Santa Clause, the tooth fairy, Lucky (the little Irish dude), Bullwinkle, Fred Flintstone and the rest of the gang are all real to.😄
I know "semantically" you believe that the God of the Bible is Allah because you state that Allah means "god" in Arabic. But Jesus (God's very own Son) knows better, Abraham knew better, Isaac knew better, Jacob knew better, the apostles knew better, most Christians know better, and I know better. The Bible is God's sole revelation to humanity, and yes the Qu'ran contradicts the Bible in many instances. So, it cannot be the word of God, the Father Jesus which the god of the Qu'ran denies having.
Originally posted by lord xyz
The Arabic version of the Bible says Allah for God. I posted you a link showing that.
In the Bible, (the Word of the true God, YHWH) it is recorded that Jesus was crucified. But the Qu'ran (which is supposedly the word of the very same god) flat out contradicts that Jesus was crucified.
Can't you see lord xyz that the God of the Bible (YHWH) and the god of the Qu'ran cannot possibly be one and the same?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
In the Bible, (the Word of the true God, YHWH) it is recorded that Jesus was crucified. But the Qu'ran (which is supposedly the word of the very same god) flat out contradicts that Jesus was crucified.Can't you see lord xyz that the God of the Bible (YHWH) and the god of the Qu'ran cannot possibly be one and the same?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Allah is just [B]another name for the God of Abraham/Ibrahim, dumbass. [/B]
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The god of the Qu'ran contradicts the God of the Bible so they are not the same.
Dude, youre really not putting 2 and 2 together or you're intentionally ignoring what I'm saying.
God says "Jesus is my son in the Bible", in Al-Koran he says "Jesus was but a Prophet." Now if you actually read the Koran, you would know that God says (in the Koran) that the Bible has been corrupted and misinterptreted through out the centuries. And that the whole thing of Jesus being His son is an accidental fabrication on part of the Christians. And it also cites the fact that the Bible has multiple authors/contributors as a leading reason.
Muslims view the Koran as the newer, improved and corrected version of the Bible. Kind of like a newer version of a textbook, or any other kind of book.
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And while Im at it: the Koran makes it clear a million times that its the book of the God of Abraham/Ibrahim*. Which tells you that its the same God of the Bible.
*Ibrahim is the Arabic word for "Abraham", just like "allah" is for "god". Just in case you didnt know who Ibrahim is, because you seem to be having a lot of trouble grasping the whole different-name-for-the-same-thing concept.
Originally posted by Quiero MotaYou're still Catholic right?
Dude, youre really not putting 2 and 2 together or you're intentionally ignoring what I'm saying.God says "Jesus is my son in the Bible", in Al-Koran he says "Jesus was but a Prophet." Now if you actually read the Koran, you would know that God says (in the Koran) that the Bible has been corrupted and misinterptreted through out the centuries. And that the whole thing of Jesus being His son is an accidental fabrication on part of the Christians. And it also cites the fact that the Bible has multiple authors/contributors as a leading reason.
Muslims view the Koran as the newer, improved and corrected version of the Bible. Kind of like a newer version of a textbook, or any other kind of book.
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And while Im at it: the Koran makes it clear a million times that its the book of the God of Abraham/Ibrahim*. Which tells you that its the same God of the Bible.
*Ibrahim is the Arabic word for "Abraham", just like "allah" is for "god". Just in case you didnt know who Ibrahim is, because you seem to be having a lot of trouble grasping the whole different-name-for-the-same-thing concept.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Dude, youre really not putting 2 and 2 together or you're intentionally ignoring what I'm saying.God says "Jesus is my son in the Bible", in Al-Koran he says "Jesus was but a Prophet." Now if you actually read the Koran, you would know that God says (in the Koran) that the Bible has been corrupted and misinterptreted through out the centuries. And that the whole thing of Jesus being His son is an accidental fabrication on part of the Christians. And it also cites the fact that the Bible has multiple authors/contributors as a leading reason.
Muslims view the Koran as the newer, improved and corrected version of the Bible. Kind of like a newer version of a textbook, or any other kind of book.
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And while Im at it: the Koran makes it clear a million times that its the book of the God of Abraham/Ibrahim*. Which tells you that its the same God of the Bible.
*Ibrahim is the Arabic word for "Abraham", just like "allah" is for "god". Just in case you didnt know who Ibrahim is, because you seem to be having a lot of trouble grasping the whole different-name-for-the-same-thing concept.
The Bible is not a textbook nor does it require revision or correction. The statement that the Bible has been corrupted is a lie from satan, the god of the Qu'ran. Jesus is the Son of God regardless of whether the Muslims believe that this is an accidental fabrication. The Bible has many authors and still maintains remarkable continuity from Genesis to Revelation. Just because the Qu'ran contains the names of Biblical characters if you would that does not legitimize it as the Word of the God. I could make a book and put Abraham's name in but that does not make my book the Word of God.
Nice try though.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
That is not possible. The Qu'ran contradicts the Bible in more ways than one. For exampe, the god of the Qu'ran denies having a son, and denies that Jesus Christ was crucified.
The Quran does contradict the Bible, yes, but the Bible and Quran also contradict themselves.
The Torah does not claim Christ is the son, but the New Testament totally centers on that claim.
Where does the name Jehovah come from ?
Originally posted by Goddess Kali
The Quran does contradict the Bible, yes, but the Bible and Quran also contradict themselves.The Torah does not claim Christ is the son, but the New Testament totally centers on that claim.
Where does the name Jehovah come from ?
The Bible does not contradict itself. I am positive that what you identify as a contradiction is simply a misunderstanding on your part.
The Word of God is not limited to the Torah, all 66 Books of the Bible is the Word of God and Jesus is mentioned in the Old Testament in more places than one. But you need to understand "how" He is revealed. Before Jesus became flesh, He was completely Spirit like His Father. But now He has a physical body. Jesus' Name was synonymous with His Father's Name, YHWH. He did not receive His earthly Name Jesus until He was born of the virgin Mary. God became a Man in the Person of Jesus Christ. So, to summarize these points, the Father and the Son were one God with one Name all throughout the Old Testament. But in the New Testament the Father's Son became a Man (without forfeiting His deity). At that point the Son Who was known as YHWH in the Old Testament is now known as Jesus in the New Testament. (So the Son of God is the God formerly known as YHWH, not the artist formerly known as prince...oops, where did that come from?)
The Name Jehovah is derived from the verb in the Hebrew language for "to be," or "to exist." So YHWH literally means the "One Who is," or the "Self-existent One," or the "living One." That is why Jesus said,
"...before Abraham was, "I AM."
Jesus is identifying Himself as the God of the Old Testament (YHWH). The phrase I AM comes from the verb "to be." Moreover, the Name Jehovah comes from the Name YHWH (which is not pronounceable). For this reason, vowels were added to the Name and it became Je-hov-ah.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Bible is not a textbook nor does it require revision or correction. The statement that the Bible has been corrupted is a lie from satan, the god of the Qu'ran. Jesus is the Son of God regardless of whether the Muslims believe that this is an accidental fabrication. The Bible has many authors and still maintains remarkable continuity from Genesis to Revelation. Just because the Qu'ran contains the names of Biblical characters if you would that does not legitimize it as the Word of the God. I could make a book and put Abraham's name in but that does not make my book the Word of God.Nice try though.
Im not arguing which book is the word of God. I'm telling you, and so has everyone else, that both books refer to the same deity. Its the truth, but youre denying it for some reason.
You keep saying "Bu-bu-but the Koran denies that Jesus is God's son" as though that adds to your argument. It doesnt.
And also it doesn't refer to just some average joe named Abraham, its refering to the Abraham.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Bible does not contradict itself.
Ok, you're full of shit.
Captain's right; your dumbass shouldve been banned a long time ago.